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Why are they nerfing TE's when TD's are so prevalent.
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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-05-01 22:54:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Muad 'dib
baltec1 wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:


Nope. His plan was to reduce the base efficiency of every e-war module by half, then give the according racial hulls a 100% bonus so that on the racial hulls (including those with EW bonus) the results should be the same- on all other hulls the efficiency would be halved.

Not a bad idea, but in my opinion no top priority.
If you want to address racial imbalance, fixing racial drones would be more important imho.
Give Amarr a reason to use Amarrian drones again instead of stinking, filthy Minmatarr or Gallente drones- it makes not much sense that the drone bonus of a hull will give you a bonus to your enemy's weapons.


When was the last time you met a vexor packing ECM or TD?

Its an unneeded blanket nerf to fix a problem that isn't there and would remove a lot of fitting options for no reason.


i havnt seen a TDing archon either but thats not the point.

if you want to use EW you cant just stuff the EW ability of a cruiser on a frigate while it can point and mwd and expect the same thing

EDIT: i could spin you nerds out more with suggesting a REDUCTION in EW effects of the same type of race your ship and EW type have in common

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#42 - 2013-05-02 07:02:04 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:



i havnt seen a TDing archon either but thats not the point.



It is. We can hardly have an issue with TD being overpowered if very few people are using that kind of EW.
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if you want to use EW you cant just stuff the EW ability of a cruiser on a frigate while it can point and mwd and expect the same thing



You dont get the EW ability of a cruiser on a frigate. It sounds to me that you are bitter about people playing smarter than you and rather than you adapting you want CCP to blanket nerf a massive amount of ships. You already have plenty of options to counter these weapons, anerf is not warrented.
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-05-02 08:32:18 UTC
What we need to "fix" TD is to buff it, so that with proper script they affect missiles.
just add 2 kinds of scripts, -50% of signature resolution and -50% of explosion velocity. rename module to weapon disruptor (skill is already maned like that)
That's it. people who don't want to be kited by missile ships will have an option now.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-05-02 08:47:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:



i havnt seen a TDing archon either but thats not the point.



It is. We can hardly have an issue with TD being overpowered if very few people are using that kind of EW.
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if you want to use EW you cant just stuff the EW ability of a cruiser on a frigate while it can point and mwd and expect the same thing



You dont get the EW ability of a cruiser on a frigate. It sounds to me that you are bitter about people playing smarter than you and rather than you adapting you want CCP to blanket nerf a massive amount of ships. You already have plenty of options to counter these weapons, anerf is not warrented.


im not crying about it i do fine because i know how to counter etc, im saying that a frigate made for tackling should not be able to also double TD/DAMP/ECM as well as any other ship in the game with the same module (obviously not better than ships using the same modules with a bonus to them)

Some cruisers have 3 mid slots, a frigate like the condor with 4 mids can do more than these cruisers and do it for ever since its also cap stable.

If you think that is reasonable as it is - then you probably use this yourself because you know its overpowered but lack the skill, imagination, or money, to do something more satisfying (or simply know that something else will not be as effective, why fly a crow ever?)

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#45 - 2013-05-02 10:43:48 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Muad 'dib wrote:


Some cruisers have 3 mid slots, a frigate like the condor with 4 mids can do more than these cruisers and do it for ever since its also cap stable.



Its a condor...

Web it, neut it and a flight of lights will rip it apart in seconds.

Also, all of my ships tend to be using large turrets, so if there was an issue with TD I would be among the first to notice.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-05-02 10:55:13 UTC
please nerf guns they're detrimental to solo PvP

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-05-02 10:57:54 UTC
Why even have roles for ships at all then.

Condor is not an inty or a EW ship but it can tackle and EW at the same time, so why pick an inty or a ew ship....

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-05-02 10:58:32 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Why even have roles for ships at all then.

Condor is not an inty or a EW ship but it can tackle and EW at the same time, so why pick an inty or a ew ship....


I bet condors with TDs out number TD bonused ships with TDs. <- this is the point

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#49 - 2013-05-02 11:07:58 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
Why even have roles for ships at all then.

Condor is not an inty or a EW ship but it can tackle and EW at the same time, so why pick an inty or a ew ship....

I bet condors with TDs out number TD bonused ships with TDs. <- this is the point
The point is that the Condor is a flimsy ship and that it's probably better helped by trying not to get hit at all, rather than use that midslot for some tanking module that will most likely make it easier to hit?

Just because there are roles doesn't mean that other ships can't fit and benefit from the same modules.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#50 - 2013-05-02 12:52:45 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Why even have roles for ships at all then.

Condor is not an inty or a EW ship but it can tackle and EW at the same time, so why pick an inty or a ew ship....


The very fact the condor is a big enough threat for you to complain about it show just how good teircide is going.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-05-02 13:07:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
Why even have roles for ships at all then.

Condor is not an inty or a EW ship but it can tackle and EW at the same time, so why pick an inty or a ew ship....


The very fact the condor is a big enough threat for you to complain about it show just how good teircide is going.


I just using it as a flavor of the month example.

Im not whining because i died to one or die all the time etc, actually i dont have a problem with them at all because i know the game very well. And im not on the side of "everythings fine" because i use it and know how unbalance it is. I try to leave my personal bias out of balance issues because if you dont, you arnt really helping to fix it.

im just not as self centered as some of you guys, im thinking of newer players and general balance for the greater good.

The condor right now is like a crow+mid+cap stability with all 4 active mids using whatever EW they choose for the bargain price of **** all.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2013-05-02 13:11:44 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:


The condor right now is like a crow+mid+cap stability with all 4 active mids using whatever EW they choose for the bargain price of **** all.


The crow is a better tackler, the sentinel is a better TD platform.

The condor is a great little tackle ship for new players allowing them to be much more useful in a fleet.

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im just not as self centered as some of you guys, im thinking of newer players and general balance for the greater good.


How is nerfing their ships going to help newbees?
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-05-02 13:37:06 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:


The condor right now is like a crow+mid+cap stability with all 4 active mids using whatever EW they choose for the bargain price of **** all.


The crow is a better tackler, the sentinel is a better TD platform.

The condor is a great little tackle ship for new players allowing them to be much more useful in a fleet.

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im just not as self centered as some of you guys, im thinking of newer players and general balance for the greater good.


How is nerfing their ships going to help newbees?


thought this was about the modules?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#54 - 2013-05-02 16:19:44 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:

thought this was about the modules?


So why did you bring up the condor?
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