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Neil deGrasse Tyson StarTalk: Asteroid Mining !!!

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#41 - 2013-05-01 20:59:40 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Boating Exercise Lol

Yeah about the Vatican. Sadly, these anti-science loons tend to be Protestants from Southern American States. I blame the education system and preachers both.

Well the alternative is whats happening in Europe where Theology is collapsing like my last attempt at a flan. Probably is the education system, its covering too many bases that Theology relies on to cover the less believable parts. There was a chap called Thomas Jefferson who edited out the Bible to remove the supernatural elements and leave the moral arguments.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#42 - 2013-05-01 21:00:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Eurydia Vespasian
Reuben Johnson wrote:
Science was created by Christians to learn about the world God created for them.


i'm afraid the ideas behind science are considerably older than that.

what christians did with science was try to use it as a tool to prove their worldview. earth centric universe and so on, for example. even though the greeks knew that was total bullpoo millenia beforehand. but religion played its part in the forwarding of science. no argument there. islam in particular. but once it became clear that this existence was far more complicated than their views allowed for...therein lay the rub. and the gap has grown ever wider since then.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#43 - 2013-05-01 21:06:29 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
Reuben Johnson wrote:
Science was created by Christians to learn about the world God created for them.


i'm afraid the ideas behind science are considerably older than that.

what christians did with science was try to use it as a tool to prove their worldview. earth centric universe and so on, for example. even though the greeks knew that was total bullpoo millenia beforehand. but religion played its part in the forwarding of science. no argument there. islam in particular. but once it became clear that this existence was far more complicated than their views allowed for...therein lay the rub. and the gap has grown ever wider since then.

Fun fact, Islam was at its heyday the biggest driver of social and technological advancement. There are texts in Baghdad that were translated into Arabic (a derivation of latin) that compiled much of the worlds knowlege, form the Mogul Empire's Hindu theology to the entire knowledge we have today of the Greeks which was preserved by them.

Algebra was created as a mathematical system to simplify Islamic inheritance laws and many of the named stars are translations from the Arabic texts built upon by the European astronomers that came later. Then they went into a Dark age when the fundamentalists started gaining traction and... yea they are slowly coming back from that at the moment, fundamentalism in any ideology is bad and free movement of ideas and capital is good.

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#44 - 2013-05-01 21:15:22 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
Reuben Johnson wrote:
Science was created by Christians to learn about the world God created for them.


i'm afraid the ideas behind science are considerably older than that.

what christians did with science was try to use it as a tool to prove their worldview. earth centric universe and so on, for example. even though the greeks knew that was total bullpoo millenia beforehand. but religion played its part in the forwarding of science. no argument there. islam in particular. but once it became clear that this existence was far more complicated than their views allowed for...therein lay the rub. and the gap has grown ever wider since then.



Please do not indulge in these freebies by debating this guy. No form of credit is earned in explaining the things he got wrong. He is in a metaphorical deep null in a verbal ibis and popping him is just as unrewarding as it is easy.

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#45 - 2013-05-01 21:19:34 UTC
I expected a thread about some awesome roid mining, but found a thread about the old and boring science vs religion discussion.

/sadpanda.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#46 - 2013-05-01 21:26:36 UTC
lol miz.

speaking of the original intent of this thread though. the idea for asteroid mining is awesome. the possibility for near infinite materials to advance is very tantalizing. the only issues are cost effective measures to get at them. i don't think we are at the technological level yet to make use of the idea. nor will we be. until we arrive at some sort of unification to purpose.
Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
#47 - 2013-05-01 21:29:15 UTC
Reuben Johnson wrote:
Blane Xero wrote:
Reuben Johnson wrote:
Blane Xero wrote:

Hoi, you, see the post I made immediately before you. Then kindly edit your post and leave the premises.

Your post would have been relevant if posted 3rd or 4th, it's to late to claim your wanna-be moderator high ground now.


Look, I cannot explain in few enough words to retain your attention whilst I school you, so just do what I told you to do before someone actually does it for you.

I can be outright insulting if I want to be, but I've decided to approach this sensitively which is more than I can say for you and your kin have. Your buddy started this on post 2, nobody else, so your side takes the penalty. Git oot.

Edit: Actually, seeing the rationalism your buddy has, I'm directing this entirely at you instead.


telling people to edit their post to suit youre viewpoint and leave the thread isnt exactly being sensitive.


I'm telling you to edit your post to conform to the forum rules and remove your ignorance with it, which is being directly insulting compared to everyone else who has posted in the thread previous. I'm not telling you to edit it to my view point at all you dense fool.

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#48 - 2013-05-01 21:30:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelique Duchemin
Not to mention that harvesting one of those solid gold asteroids would collapse the world economy so we would be too busy playing Fallout 3 IRL to make use of any materials we find.


Blane Xero wrote:
you dense fool.


Personal attacks and an inability to take the high ground is the reason you will never become an ISD despite trying for years.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#49 - 2013-05-01 21:31:27 UTC
My dream is to work on these asteroid mining projects, trying to figure out how to get involved in them. I've been fielding questions tentatively about looking at doing a Doctorate in something related. I'm doing Structural Engineering for my undergrad, looking at Aerospace Engineering for a Masters... Hopefully Zero G structures for the last part.

Put the Engines at the front of the damn ship for starters, put the spine into tension and vector the thrust slightly off (say 3 degree's off the direction of thrust to keep the exhaust from hitting the ship) to save on mass by a fair fraction.

If anyone knows anything about these kind of Academic things and has advice I appreciate it all P

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Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#50 - 2013-05-01 21:34:40 UTC
Kirjava wrote:

Put the Engines at the front of the damn ship for starters, put the spine into tension and vector the thrust slightly off (say 3 degree's off the direction of thrust to keep the exhaust from hitting the ship) to save on mass by a fair fraction.

If anyone knows anything about these kind of Academic things and has advice I appreciate it all P



Its funny you said that, I just made a rocket like that in Kerbal Space Program. Although I messed up the staging and it exploded about 3 minutes into the flight Sad

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#51 - 2013-05-01 21:38:12 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
Kirjava wrote:

Put the Engines at the front of the damn ship for starters, put the spine into tension and vector the thrust slightly off (say 3 degree's off the direction of thrust to keep the exhaust from hitting the ship) to save on mass by a fair fraction.

If anyone knows anything about these kind of Academic things and has advice I appreciate it all P



Its funny you said that, I just made a rocket like that in Kerbal Space Program. Although I messed up the staging and it exploded about 3 minutes into the flight Sad


Well metals work like that, Steel is better in tension by a long shot than it is in compression. I reckon the first spaceships will be like hanging tents using metal ropes supporting a Biglow style inflatable canopy than what scifi brought us up on.

Also, just googled Kerbal Space program : interesting.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#52 - 2013-05-01 21:42:05 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Not to mention that harvesting one of those solid gold asteroids would collapse the world economy so we would be too busy playing Fallout 3 IRL to make use of any materials we find.


well, i'm sure it would have to be eased into. but, who knows? maybe america might be able to finally reach its dream of having gold to back up every u.s dollar in circulation like it originally wanted lol
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#53 - 2013-05-01 21:43:56 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Not to mention that harvesting one of those solid gold asteroids would collapse the world economy so we would be too busy playing Fallout 3 IRL to make use of any materials we find.


well, i'm sure it would have to be eased into. but, who knows? maybe america might be able to finally reach its dream of having gold to back up every u.s dollar in circulation like it originally wanted lol

Gold is an excellent thermal conductor.

Gold frying pans and kitchen equipment. Also usage in Power plants and other appications cupper is used, such as a heatsink for your PC.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#54 - 2013-05-01 21:47:21 UTC
Get your licks in as I've requested this thread be locked.

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#55 - 2013-05-01 21:47:53 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
lol miz.

speaking of the original intent of this thread though. the idea for asteroid mining is awesome. the possibility for near infinite materials to advance is very tantalizing. the only issues are cost effective measures to get at them. i don't think we are at the technological level yet to make use of the idea. nor will we be. until we arrive at some sort of unification to purpose.


Did you watch the stream of the presentation about roid mining at FF?

I was surpriced to see how little it actually required. It is actually easyer to get to the nearest roids and back than it is to go to the moon and back and yet we managed to do the latter about 50 years ago.

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Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#56 - 2013-05-01 21:52:07 UTC
In before the lock =)

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#57 - 2013-05-01 21:58:15 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
In before the lock =)


but ... but we want to mine roids :(

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Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
#58 - 2013-05-01 22:00:08 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Blane Xero wrote:
you dense fool.

Personal attacks and an inability to take the high ground is the reason you will never become an ISD despite trying for years.

You don't know me very well.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#59 - 2013-05-01 22:14:55 UTC
The derailment actually happened with the 2nd and 3rd posts.

Psychotic religious folks are not doing their cause any favors at all.

Nobody is impressed.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#60 - 2013-05-01 22:17:32 UTC
BTW, what is it with these lame 'periods' at the end of Alliance names ? (see posts 2 and 3)

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882