EVE New Citizens Q&A

I see a lot of hate towards Lvl 4's on the forums, "I wouldn't do it, not enough isk/hour" etc.

I always thought Lvl 4's were something to aim for, so correct me if I'm wrong.
How do all you big players amass wealth? , without scamming and selling GTC's. Just wondering, thanks!

I wouldn't call it hate towards L4s per se, some have issue with rewards from hisec L4s being too high considering that you can do them in safety (well, sto0pid still can get ganked/baited into becoming shiny kill mail on somebody's killboard).

As for other sources of income for "vets" there are incursions, null and wh anomalies, exploration (random), freighter ganking, industry and probably many many more I have no idea about.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with L4 missions. I have run many of them myself. The real hate that you are reading is that they have ran them 10,000 times and are sick to death of them.

There are many people who post the forums that are Null sec players like myself where we have access to areas that can make 100M an hour doing complexes. However, not everyone has the opportunity to sit and wait for systems to clear or buddies to come online to help you assist with those opportunities. Just because you can make 100M per hour in null sec doesn't mean you can actually do it due to player interference. That is something the vets on the boards tend to forget or gloss over.

If you can only play an hour or 2 per evening or whatever your case is, then L4 missions are for you. If you can sit for 4-6 hours in null sec to be able to rat for an hour or 2 you can do that and make the same isk you would have made in L4 missions in that 1 or 2 hours if you break it down to an isk/hour online ratio. Having said that though, if you can be left alone to take full benefits null sec can make you rich super fast.

My advice, aim for your L4s, it is worthy. After 3 months or so you will have a better understanding of why those few say no to missions and prefer low sec/null sec opportunities. Truth is, the missions are more game lore centered and if you want to role play or whatever you will enjoy the missions. Null sec is about player interaction, if you want a second job come join us LOL.

There are dozens of ways to make much better isk ph than L4's. But thats kind of mssing the point.

Never choose any activity in game because it pays well.

Choose from the myriad of options which you enjoy, and find a way to make a good income doing that.

What do/dont you enjoy so far? Give us an idea and we can suggest things to try...

Thanks for all the feedback guys, you are a credit to the EVE community. Not even one troll lmao
And for the time being I'll shoot for the 4's, and once comfortable, null and anomalies for me.

Also, if any of you have an ACTIVE corporation and let the noobs tag along, mail me. Much appreciated ladies and gents :)

Wait, what? That can't stand, not around here.

Ummm... die noob... figure it out yourself... and stuff.

Indeed. Surfin Plunderbunny didn't find your thread.

surfin at least keeps the trolling at a taseful level, if there is such a thing

also to the op, eve has plenty of trolls, scamers, greifers, etc; its just that the forum mods are much less leinient to such activites in the newbie forum and the same goes with the newbie systems in game.

I've added about 3 billion ISK to my wallet so far this week, and it is only Wednesday, but I only try to earn ISK when I need it or my wallet is getting low (I had under 800 million at the start of the week, which for me was an uncomfortably low amount, as I typically carry tens of billions).

I consider myself an industrialist, i.e. I primarily earn from industry related activities: manufacturing and research. I occasionally mine for enjoyment when the mood strikes me, but I don't do it with the intent of earning ISK. I also occasionally do hauling & trade when the mood strikes me, and it can be quite profitable. I collect blueprint originals (BPO) as a hobby, and my collection is worth at least 80 billion or more (I lost track in the mid sixties).

I also occasionally do missions purely for enjoyment. For example, I love doing level 3 missions in a Caldari Harpy Assault Ship (frigate), which is not at all time efficient. I also occasionally do level 4 missions purely for enjoyment in a wide assortment of ships, when the mood strikes me. I tend to give the ISK I earn from doing level 4 missions away to new players that seem worthy.

The secret is to find an activity you enjoy, and are good at (or are willing to learn to be good at it), so that it isn't work or a grind. If you are not having fun in EVE, you are doing it wrong, and only have yourself to blame.

1) What do you got against scamming and selling GTCs? Those are the two best ways to obtain ISK.

2) In game, I kill miners for free (thanks to the New Order of Highsec) and make money off of the bits of their ships I collect and sell. This makes for a respectable 100 mil ISK/hour on average, but really, when you're doing something you love, it's not about the money.