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Question for all the veterans.

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Sean Harpvire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-01 20:11:49 UTC
I see a lot of hate towards Lvl 4's on the forums, "I wouldn't do it, not enough isk/hour" etc.

I always thought Lvl 4's were something to aim for, so correct me if I'm wrong.
How do all you big players amass wealth? , without scamming and selling GTC's. Just wondering, thanks! Smile

Only after every tree has been cut down, the last river poisoned, and the final fish caught. Only then, will you find that money cannot be eaten. 

Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#2 - 2013-05-01 20:19:59 UTC
Carrier ratting using sentry drones/rigs can make in excess of 30 million ISK a tick. Sometimes more.
Training a character to have decent skill and use T2 sentry drones on a carrier will take some time.

Lvl 4's are decent income for people that live in HS. Not great or good, just decent. For a newer solo player that is something to shoot for.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#3 - 2013-05-01 20:23:51 UTC
I wouldn't call it hate towards L4s per se, some have issue with rewards from hisec L4s being too high considering that you can do them in safety (well, sto0pid still can get ganked/baited into becoming shiny kill mail on somebody's killboard).

As for other sources of income for "vets" there are incursions, null and wh anomalies, exploration (random), freighter ganking, industry and probably many many more I have no idea about.

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Michael Stabb
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-05-01 20:25:12 UTC
Sean Harpvire wrote:
I see a lot of hate towards Lvl 4's on the forums, "I wouldn't do it, not enough isk/hour" etc.

I always thought Lvl 4's were something to aim for, so correct me if I'm wrong.
How do all you big players amass wealth? , without scamming and selling GTC's. Just wondering, thanks! Smile


I do L4's, I somehow made two billion this month.. god knows how.

They're not fun after you've done them a hundred times each, that's the issue. They're repetitive, grindy and just not stimulating enough in a game where exploration and intrigue can be found. I can cope with the dullness, though, I just keep some TV on and watch that while I do missions.

Don't do missions and expect fun, that's my advice. If you need ISK, they're alright, not big bucks but you'll get by. And don't expect to live on PLEX from L4 money, that'll grind you down to the point of hating EVE.

Ilkahn
Ideal Mechanisms
#5 - 2013-05-01 20:27:20 UTC
There is absolutely nothing wrong with L4 missions. I have run many of them myself. The real hate that you are reading is that they have ran them 10,000 times and are sick to death of them.

There are many people who post the forums that are Null sec players like myself where we have access to areas that can make 100M an hour doing complexes. However, not everyone has the opportunity to sit and wait for systems to clear or buddies to come online to help you assist with those opportunities. Just because you can make 100M per hour in null sec doesn't mean you can actually do it due to player interference. That is something the vets on the boards tend to forget or gloss over.

If you can only play an hour or 2 per evening or whatever your case is, then L4 missions are for you. If you can sit for 4-6 hours in null sec to be able to rat for an hour or 2 you can do that and make the same isk you would have made in L4 missions in that 1 or 2 hours if you break it down to an isk/hour online ratio. Having said that though, if you can be left alone to take full benefits null sec can make you rich super fast.

My advice, aim for your L4s, it is worthy. After 3 months or so you will have a better understanding of why those few say no to missions and prefer low sec/null sec opportunities. Truth is, the missions are more game lore centered and if you want to role play or whatever you will enjoy the missions. Null sec is about player interaction, if you want a second job come join us LOL.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#6 - 2013-05-01 20:57:25 UTC
I do quite a bit of level 4 missions my self because its a good activity when your just lazy.
Also when i want to just drag some new players with you out to get them some fast and easy ISK while at the same time make them feel they are actually doing something for it instead of just getting it handed to them.

As others have said it gets boring, especially if you do it solo. Have some drunk people on TS and some poor innocent new player in a frig that gets blown up by accident a couple of times and laughs with you because of it and suddenly its a good social activity Big smile
Ovv Topik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-05-01 20:59:41 UTC
Sean Harpvire wrote:

How do all you big players amass wealth? , without scamming and selling GTC's. Just wondering, thanks! Smile


There are dozens of ways to make much better isk ph than L4's. But thats kind of mssing the point.

Never choose any activity in game because it pays well.

Choose from the myriad of options which you enjoy, and find a way to make a good income doing that.

What do/dont you enjoy so far? Give us an idea and we can suggest things to try...

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#8 - 2013-05-01 21:00:02 UTC
L4's are excellent ISK, by highsec standards at least.

They are dwarfed by a number of things that others have already mentioned, but L4's have the advantage of being very easy to access and very safe. The downside is they are very grindy. They are not my primary income anymore, but I still keep a L4 battleship in reserve in case my more risky adventures end up in a loss and I need to recover. The training required for them will benefit any other combat activity as well, so they are a very good stopping by point on your way to greatness.
Sean Harpvire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-05-01 21:13:16 UTC
Thanks for all the feedback guys, you are a credit to the EVE community. Not even one troll lmao Shocked
And for the time being I'll shoot for the 4's, and once comfortable, null and anomalies for me.

Also, if any of you have an AttentionACTIVEAttention corporation and let the noobs tag along, mail me. Much appreciated ladies and gents :)

Only after every tree has been cut down, the last river poisoned, and the final fish caught. Only then, will you find that money cannot be eaten. 

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-05-01 21:18:30 UTC
Sean Harpvire wrote:
I see a lot of hate towards Lvl 4's on the forums, "I wouldn't do it, not enough isk/hour" etc.

I always thought Lvl 4's were something to aim for, so correct me if I'm wrong.
How do all you big players amass wealth? , without scamming and selling GTC's. Just wondering, thanks! Smile


Bold underlined + trading.


Missions are so boring that every minute you do them, 1% of your brain cells dies (to give you an idea, for mining that is 50% / minute).


As for goal...you set your own, my goal was and will never be level 4 missions.

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Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#11 - 2013-05-01 21:33:36 UTC
Sean Harpvire wrote:
Not even one troll lmao Shocked

Wait, what? That can't stand, not around here.

Ummm... die noob... figure it out yourself... and stuff.
Merouk Baas
#12 - 2013-05-01 21:39:43 UTC
Selling GTC's - have RL job, can afford to buy PLEX, it's actually the best return for time invested.

Otherwise, strictly in-game:

- trading on the market - is nice when you have several billion ISK to play with as capital (especially now that CCP is releasing game-changing patches more than once per year, with changes pre-announced in nice dev blogs - easy to guess what the markets will do).

- exploration sites - a few of them offer a quick 6-50 million depending on luck and scanning speed - this is where some mission runners have migrated to, especially if they hate grinding and/or are super-casual and can't play more than 1-2 hours per week.

- rat in nullsec or run exploration or "complex" sites there (group content)

- do exploration sites in wormhole space, living in your corp's POS out there in a low or medium rating wormhole and scanning for PVP raiders daily

- if really bored, I may run some missions, but I don't grind them for ISK or for LP, usually, that would be too much of a grind, for me
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-05-01 23:07:01 UTC
Sean Harpvire wrote:
Not even one troll lmao Shocked


Indeed. Surfin Plunderbunny didn't find your thread.Evil

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Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#14 - 2013-05-01 23:26:37 UTC
I trade.

I have tried mission running, and its not because of the isk/hr that I avoid it, I just cant stand doing them.

The one thing I like doing in eve is trading, and fortunately, in Eve, you can play however you want
Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-05-01 23:31:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Zanzbar
J'Poll wrote:
Sean Harpvire wrote:
Not even one troll lmao Shocked


Indeed. Surfin Plunderbunny didn't find your thread.Evil


surfin at least keeps the trolling at a taseful level, if there is such a thing

also to the op, eve has plenty of trolls, scamers, greifers, etc; its just that the forum mods are much less leinient to such activites in the newbie forum and the same goes with the newbie systems in game.
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#16 - 2013-05-02 00:36:48 UTC
Sean Harpvire wrote:
I see a lot of hate towards Lvl 4's on the forums, "I wouldn't do it, not enough isk/hour" etc.

I always thought Lvl 4's were something to aim for, so correct me if I'm wrong.
How do all you big players amass wealth? , without scamming and selling GTC's. Just wondering, thanks! Smile


For high sec dwellers running level 4s is a good solid way to make money. For null sec dwellers there are many other ways to make money but level 4 pirate missions are also a good money maker (level 4 pirate missions are only in npc null sec areas as far as i know).

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2013-05-02 00:57:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Sean Harpvire wrote:
I see a lot of hate towards Lvl 4's on the forums, "I wouldn't do it, not enough isk/hour" etc.

I always thought Lvl 4's were something to aim for, so correct me if I'm wrong.
How do all you big players amass wealth? , without scamming and selling GTC's. Just wondering, thanks! Smile

I've added about 3 billion ISK to my wallet so far this week, and it is only Wednesday, but I only try to earn ISK when I need it or my wallet is getting low (I had under 800 million at the start of the week, which for me was an uncomfortably low amount, as I typically carry tens of billions).

I consider myself an industrialist, i.e. I primarily earn from industry related activities: manufacturing and research. I occasionally mine for enjoyment when the mood strikes me, but I don't do it with the intent of earning ISK. I also occasionally do hauling & trade when the mood strikes me, and it can be quite profitable. I collect blueprint originals (BPO) as a hobby, and my collection is worth at least 80 billion or more (I lost track in the mid sixties).

I also occasionally do missions purely for enjoyment. For example, I love doing level 3 missions in a Caldari Harpy Assault Ship (frigate), which is not at all time efficient. I also occasionally do level 4 missions purely for enjoyment in a wide assortment of ships, when the mood strikes me. I tend to give the ISK I earn from doing level 4 missions away to new players that seem worthy.

The secret is to find an activity you enjoy, and are good at (or are willing to learn to be good at it), so that it isn't work or a grind. If you are not having fun in EVE, you are doing it wrong, and only have yourself to blame.
CC Avalos
METACORTEX LLC
#18 - 2013-05-02 03:27:56 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:

The secret is to find an activity you enjoy, and are good at (or are willing to learn to be good at it), so that it isn't work or a grind. If you are not having fun in EVE, you are doing it wrong, and only have yourself to blame.


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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#19 - 2013-05-02 05:59:38 UTC
1) What do you got against scamming and selling GTCs? Those are the two best ways to obtain ISK.

2) In game, I kill miners for free (thanks to the New Order of Highsec) and make money off of the bits of their ships I collect and sell. This makes for a respectable 100 mil ISK/hour on average, but really, when you're doing something you love, it's not about the money.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com

Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-05-02 11:13:21 UTC
I detest L4's because I resent the fact that interacting with npc's is almost the only isk faucet in the game.

All the other forms of income TRANSFER wealth from player to player.

The only isk faucets are npc'ing and insurance, and that I think is a major design flaw.

PVP should not be some "isk sink" you do for fun after grinding away at annoying npc bullschit.

PVP should be a profession, but currently very tiny percentage find a way to be self-sustaining at it, basically the top %1 who run alliances and set up moon mining, mercenary work, get money from 0.0 renters, etc those are the only people who actually make money from pvp, the rank and file who grind away chaining rats are no different from the guy running l4's or mining veld, they're not professional pvp'ers, they're professional ratters.
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