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New Eden Trade Group seeking fully collateralized loans (CANCELLED, for now)
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Blueprint Seller
Bring Me Sunshine
#41 - 2013-05-01 05:48:53 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:
Also, what makes you think you have the right to judge the success or failure of any player?

Everyone has that right.
The Fukuzawa
Doomheim
#42 - 2013-05-01 06:32:17 UTC
Blueprint Seller wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
Also, what makes you think you have the right to judge the success or failure of any player?

Everyone has that right.



Very true, I meant to say something else but I'm going to leave it at that.

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
Jonasan Mikio
Must Remove Snow Flakes
#43 - 2013-05-01 20:56:11 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:
AttentionIN AN EFFORT TO FOLLOW FORUM RULES ALL TROLLING WILL BE IGNOREDAttention


Ideal terms of loan:

-2% monthly return on principle
-3 week length, with the possibility of options to extend 2 weeks at the end of original term
-Collateral to be held by lender after negotiating value of collateral. Most items used as collateral are valued above 1 billion isk in Jita (ideally collateral is to be held by lender because of cancellation options mentioned below)

Cancellation option specifics:

-Lender has the right to cancel loan and recover isk at any time without penalty
-NETG also has the right to cancel loan and recover collateral at anytime, however if we cancel a loan we are obligated to pay all interest owed per terms of original loan agreement, or extension agreement.

AttentionOf course, all terms are negotiable.Attention



Current list of offered collateral:

*Carriers are entry level cap ships that will always have high demand; many players have the similar goal of piloting one.

13 chimera, all located in major hub regions ------- 1held by investor
10 thanatos, all located in major hub regions ------ 2 held by investors
4 nidhoggur, all located in major hub regions
3 archon, all located in major hub regions ---------- 3 held by investors
2 obelisk, high sec ------------- Pending contract acceptance
2 providence, high sec -------- One pending acceptance, one held by investor
1 charon, high sec
1 fenrir, high sec -----------------Pending contract acceptance



QuestionFAQQuestion

QuestionRegarding established lenders: We currently are not interested in taking loans with any established lenders because their terms are not ideal for our current business operations. We feel it is not inappropriate for us to seek private lenders because we offer full collateral for isk.

QuestionRegarding business plan:We are manufacturers/traders, most isk is used to fund operations within highsec regions. Liquid isk is key to our strategies being successful. We do not like competition and will try to hold our cards as close to our chests as possible. That said, we understand transparency is crucial for a successful business relationship.

QuestionRegarding API:There will never be one released. The reasons for this are many, but the most prominent is protecting our market gems (items we trade with little competition) and protecting the identity of our manufacturing and logistics wing to avoid war decs. Also, we offer full collateral for lender's isk, and do not feel it is necessary.

Question[b]Regarding screenshots: [/b]We will not take the time to release any screen shots. Reason being is screenshots can be edited effectively with Microsoft paint and are of no value.

QuestionRegarding NAV: I'm not going to bother posting numbers because there is no way to prove they are correct.



Please contact me if you have any further questions.

Thank you,

The Fukuzawa
CEO
New Eden Trade Group



Are you sure you are not just looking to dump assets that are going to bottom out after next patch, to unsuspecting lenders? We are looking at some where in the neighborhood of a 20-35% decline on the value of these items in the next coming patch.
The Fukuzawa
Doomheim
#44 - 2013-05-01 21:36:02 UTC  |  Edited by: The Fukuzawa
Jonasan Mikio wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
AttentionIN AN EFFORT TO FOLLOW FORUM RULES ALL TROLLING WILL BE IGNOREDAttention


Ideal terms of loan:

-2% monthly return on principle
-3 week length, with the possibility of options to extend 2 weeks at the end of original term
-Collateral to be held by lender after negotiating value of collateral. Most items used as collateral are valued above 1 billion isk in Jita (ideally collateral is to be held by lender because of cancellation options mentioned below)

Cancellation option specifics:

-Lender has the right to cancel loan and recover isk at any time without penalty
-NETG also has the right to cancel loan and recover collateral at anytime, however if we cancel a loan we are obligated to pay all interest owed per terms of original loan agreement, or extension agreement.

AttentionOf course, all terms are negotiable.Attention



Current list of offered collateral:

*Carriers are entry level cap ships that will always have high demand; many players have the similar goal of piloting one.

13 chimera, all located in major hub regions ------- 1held by investor
10 thanatos, all located in major hub regions ------ 2 held by investors
4 nidhoggur, all located in major hub regions
3 archon, all located in major hub regions ---------- 3 held by investors
2 obelisk, high sec ------------- Pending contract acceptance
2 providence, high sec -------- One pending acceptance, one held by investor
1 charon, high sec
1 fenrir, high sec -----------------Pending contract acceptance



QuestionFAQQuestion

QuestionRegarding established lenders: We currently are not interested in taking loans with any established lenders because their terms are not ideal for our current business operations. We feel it is not inappropriate for us to seek private lenders because we offer full collateral for isk.

QuestionRegarding business plan:We are manufacturers/traders, most isk is used to fund operations within highsec regions. Liquid isk is key to our strategies being successful. We do not like competition and will try to hold our cards as close to our chests as possible. That said, we understand transparency is crucial for a successful business relationship.

QuestionRegarding API:There will never be one released. The reasons for this are many, but the most prominent is protecting our market gems (items we trade with little competition) and protecting the identity of our manufacturing and logistics wing to avoid war decs. Also, we offer full collateral for lender's isk, and do not feel it is necessary.

Question[b]Regarding screenshots: [/b]We will not take the time to release any screen shots. Reason being is screenshots can be edited effectively with Microsoft paint and are of no value.

QuestionRegarding NAV: I'm not going to bother posting numbers because there is no way to prove they are correct.



Please contact me if you have any further questions.

Thank you,

The Fukuzawa
CEO
New Eden Trade Group



Are you sure you are not just looking to dump assets that are going to bottom out after next patch, to unsuspecting lenders? We are looking at some where in the neighborhood of a 20-35% decline on the value of these items in the next coming patch.



We have been using these types of items as collateral for more than a year.

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
Jonasan Mikio
Must Remove Snow Flakes
#45 - 2013-05-01 21:54:07 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:
Jonasan Mikio wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
AttentionIN AN EFFORT TO FOLLOW FORUM RULES ALL TROLLING WILL BE IGNOREDAttention


Ideal terms of loan:

-2% monthly return on principle
-3 week length, with the possibility of options to extend 2 weeks at the end of original term
-Collateral to be held by lender after negotiating value of collateral. Most items used as collateral are valued above 1 billion isk in Jita (ideally collateral is to be held by lender because of cancellation options mentioned below)

Cancellation option specifics:

-Lender has the right to cancel loan and recover isk at any time without penalty
-NETG also has the right to cancel loan and recover collateral at anytime, however if we cancel a loan we are obligated to pay all interest owed per terms of original loan agreement, or extension agreement.

AttentionOf course, all terms are negotiable.Attention



Current list of offered collateral:

*Carriers are entry level cap ships that will always have high demand; many players have the similar goal of piloting one.

13 chimera, all located in major hub regions ------- 1held by investor
10 thanatos, all located in major hub regions ------ 2 held by investors
4 nidhoggur, all located in major hub regions
3 archon, all located in major hub regions ---------- 3 held by investors
2 obelisk, high sec ------------- Pending contract acceptance
2 providence, high sec -------- One pending acceptance, one held by investor
1 charon, high sec
1 fenrir, high sec -----------------Pending contract acceptance



QuestionFAQQuestion

QuestionRegarding established lenders: We currently are not interested in taking loans with any established lenders because their terms are not ideal for our current business operations. We feel it is not inappropriate for us to seek private lenders because we offer full collateral for isk.

QuestionRegarding business plan:We are manufacturers/traders, most isk is used to fund operations within highsec regions. Liquid isk is key to our strategies being successful. We do not like competition and will try to hold our cards as close to our chests as possible. That said, we understand transparency is crucial for a successful business relationship.

QuestionRegarding API:There will never be one released. The reasons for this are many, but the most prominent is protecting our market gems (items we trade with little competition) and protecting the identity of our manufacturing and logistics wing to avoid war decs. Also, we offer full collateral for lender's isk, and do not feel it is necessary.

Question[b]Regarding screenshots: [/b]We will not take the time to release any screen shots. Reason being is screenshots can be edited effectively with Microsoft paint and are of no value.

QuestionRegarding NAV: I'm not going to bother posting numbers because there is no way to prove they are correct.



Please contact me if you have any further questions.

Thank you,

The Fukuzawa
CEO
New Eden Trade Group



Are you sure you are not just looking to dump assets that are going to bottom out after next patch, to unsuspecting lenders? We are looking at some where in the neighborhood of a 20-35% decline on the value of these items in the next coming patch.



We have been using these types of items as collateral for more than a year.



Oh dear.... it seems then you are in for some tears to say the least...
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#46 - 2013-05-01 22:04:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Alex Grison
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Tesal
#47 - 2013-05-01 22:46:56 UTC
You aren't posting with your main. You are posting with a trade alt. Why?
The Fukuzawa
Doomheim
#48 - 2013-05-01 22:47:02 UTC
Alex Grison wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
Jonasan Mikio wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
AttentionIN AN EFFORT TO FOLLOW FORUM RULES ALL TROLLING WILL BE IGNOREDAttention


Ideal terms of loan:

-2% monthly return on principle
-3 week length, with the possibility of options to extend 2 weeks at the end of original term
-Collateral to be held by lender after negotiating value of collateral. Most items used as collateral are valued above 1 billion isk in Jita (ideally collateral is to be held by lender because of cancellation options mentioned below)

Cancellation option specifics:

-Lender has the right to cancel loan and recover isk at any time without penalty
-NETG also has the right to cancel loan and recover collateral at anytime, however if we cancel a loan we are obligated to pay all interest owed per terms of original loan agreement, or extension agreement.

AttentionOf course, all terms are negotiable.Attention



Current list of offered collateral:

*Carriers are entry level cap ships that will always have high demand; many players have the similar goal of piloting one.

13 chimera, all located in major hub regions ------- 1held by investor
10 thanatos, all located in major hub regions ------ 2 held by investors
4 nidhoggur, all located in major hub regions
3 archon, all located in major hub regions ---------- 3 held by investors
2 obelisk, high sec ------------- Pending contract acceptance
2 providence, high sec -------- One pending acceptance, one held by investor
1 charon, high sec
1 fenrir, high sec -----------------Pending contract acceptance



QuestionFAQQuestion

QuestionRegarding established lenders: We currently are not interested in taking loans with any established lenders because their terms are not ideal for our current business operations. We feel it is not inappropriate for us to seek private lenders because we offer full collateral for isk.

QuestionRegarding business plan:We are manufacturers/traders, most isk is used to fund operations within highsec regions. Liquid isk is key to our strategies being successful. We do not like competition and will try to hold our cards as close to our chests as possible. That said, we understand transparency is crucial for a successful business relationship.

QuestionRegarding API:There will never be one released. The reasons for this are many, but the most prominent is protecting our market gems (items we trade with little competition) and protecting the identity of our manufacturing and logistics wing to avoid war decs. Also, we offer full collateral for lender's isk, and do not feel it is necessary.

Question[b]Regarding screenshots: [/b]We will not take the time to release any screen shots. Reason being is screenshots can be edited effectively with Microsoft paint and are of no value.

QuestionRegarding NAV: I'm not going to bother posting numbers because there is no way to prove they are correct.



Please contact me if you have any further questions.

Thank you,

The Fukuzawa
CEO
New Eden Trade Group



Are you sure you are not just looking to dump assets that are going to bottom out after next patch, to unsuspecting lenders? We are looking at some where in the neighborhood of a 20-35% decline on the value of these items in the next coming patch.



We have been using these types of items as collateral for more than a year.


then your buisness is about to be in the shitter


I wouldn't say that, we manufacture and trade a lot of different items

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
The Fukuzawa
Doomheim
#49 - 2013-05-01 22:48:54 UTC
Tesal wrote:
You aren't posting with your main. You are posting with a trade alt. Why?


To protect our industrial wing from the same trolls who plague our forum posts. This corp/toons are used to liquidate assets and nothing more.

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
Jonasan Mikio
Must Remove Snow Flakes
#50 - 2013-05-01 22:50:43 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:
Tesal wrote:
You aren't posting with your main. You are posting with a trade alt. Why?


To protect our industrial wing from the same trolls who plague our forum posts. This corp/toons are used to liquidate assets and nothing more.



Dude, one thing that I can tell you, is even the slightest of shifty feelings will send people running from loans on MD..... Post with your main like a real man, or do your business on an alt... you should not be this blind if you have done this for a year now.
The Fukuzawa
Doomheim
#51 - 2013-05-01 23:12:37 UTC  |  Edited by: The Fukuzawa
Jonasan Mikio wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
Tesal wrote:
You aren't posting with your main. You are posting with a trade alt. Why?


To protect our industrial wing from the same trolls who plague our forum posts. This corp/toons are used to liquidate assets and nothing more.



Dude, one thing that I can tell you, is even the slightest of shifty feelings will send people running from loans on MD..... Post with your main like a real man, or do your business on an alt... you should not be this blind if you have done this for a year now.





We offer full collateral for our loans. We are not here asking for isk without any security, so I don't feel I need to put my manufacturing group at risk. We don't need loans to run our business, it just makes things easier.

We have secured loans through market discussion in the past despite the trolls, that's why we keep coming back.

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
Jonasan Mikio
Must Remove Snow Flakes
#52 - 2013-05-02 00:29:07 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:
Jonasan Mikio wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
Tesal wrote:
You aren't posting with your main. You are posting with a trade alt. Why?


To protect our industrial wing from the same trolls who plague our forum posts. This corp/toons are used to liquidate assets and nothing more.



Dude, one thing that I can tell you, is even the slightest of shifty feelings will send people running from loans on MD..... Post with your main like a real man, or do your business on an alt... you should not be this blind if you have done this for a year now.





We offer full collateral for our loans. We are not here asking for isk without any security, so I don't feel I need to put my manufacturing group at risk. We don't need loans to run our business, it just makes things easier.

We have secured loans through market discussion in the past despite the trolls, that's why we keep coming back.



Then I will offer no troll, and be polite and apologize for my harshness.. Fact of the matter, is that everyone wants to let go of caps right now, and you have alot of them..... some free advice is just sell them and hold the isk... or invest it back in trading as you want to do... but just sell them you dont want them back.. they are going to be much cheaper shortly.
Terajima Kazumi
Perkone
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-05-02 20:10:28 UTC
So your solution to production exceeding demand is to collateralize excess inventory and further increase production?

Sounds like a brilliant business plan and not at all like a scam.
The Fukuzawa
Doomheim
#54 - 2013-05-03 19:22:02 UTC  |  Edited by: The Fukuzawa
Terajima Kazumi wrote:
So your solution to production exceeding demand is to collateralize excess inventory and further increase production?

Sounds like a brilliant business plan and not at all like a scam.



Yeah, its such a brilliant plan that many successful real life companies do the same.

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
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