Missions & Complexes

Can you post your fit

I had weapon dps modules in the lows, I had an mwd, 2 shield extenders, 2 hardeners, and an eccm module in the mids, and all weapons in the highs. I had 2 ancillary current routers and a dps rig in the rig slots.

wow... such an accurate account of the fit, no wonder you lost your ship.

Why is it people who fail always resort to the term "fun gameplay" as if CCP has some responsibility in that regard?

Highlighted your problem. You were probably in a naga right?

You don't belt rat in a ship with only large guns if you can't carry drones unless you have Webs and aren't not in Guristas space, because ONE scramming frig rat and you die. With drones you can make the frig npcs switch aggo and warp off.

You picked the wrong type of ship for the activity. You should use Combat Battlecruisers (if you are sticking with BCs) for belt ratting and only use Attack BCs for Anomalies that don't have frigs (or have frigs that spawn away from you so you can pop them as they close with you).

Again the problem isn't the game, you made a poor choice.

Next time use Auto-Targetting missiles.

I initially used a combat battlecruiser. It simply couldn't handle the rats at all. I could get no kills, I could not stay in a belt 10 seconds without having to warp out. So I upgraded to the attack battlecruiser. It performed extremely well up until this incident. There wasn't a belt I couldn't handle or a situation I had to warp out of... until this incident.



Please, dispense with the hypercritical tone and condescension - I can do without it. It is a matter of opinion whether the problem is the game or not, and as for the choice, I made the choice using the best information I had at the time, and was advised by someone who has played the game 7 years straight.



My ship used guns - not missles.

Judging by the posts you were just in the wrong ship type (i.e. one that cannot tank worth a damn) when the unfortunate happened.

HOWEVER, I would like to see a sort of Diminishing Return system enabled on ECM/TD/Damps (NPC & Player alike). This is coming from a toon who's PvP alt IS an Ewar pilot. It is far too easy to perma jam a ship in Eve with a single ship. ECM's, Damps and Tracking Disruptors can be set upon an enemy ship forever and only the ECM has a chance to "miss". There is a reasonable reason to add in DR for these module groups.

If an enemy is to be perma jammed/disrupted/damped it should require more than a single ship. I mean come on I can Jam nearly any ship with a single module (sometimes even a Multi) for longer than it takes to kill that ship under normal means. So what reason would the game require to have said modules run for minutes to hours even (exaggeration) without fail? Yes I know the ECM's can fail, but they rarely do and the ship is generally dead well before it does, even if it takes several minutes to kill.

My thoughts on this matter are to add DR in a slightly different way than most MMO's do with abilities.

1st attempt: *Guaranteed to work, all 3 module groups (since only ECM has a chance to fail now anyway).
2nd attempt: 20% chance to fail, all 3 module groups.
3rd attempt: 40% chance to fail...
4th attempt: 60% chance to fail...
5th attempt (and all subsequent attempts): **80% chance to fail...

* the "Guaranteed" to work bit would only apply to a ship of lower strength, similar to how it is now. So if a toon has an ECCM equipped then that lowers the chance to work, just like it does now.

** with all 3 modules groups still retaining a 20% chance to succeed no matter how many cycles, this still gives some usability to small gangs and keeps NPC's a threat.

The above DR would only apply to the ship doing the ECM/TD/Dampning and on a single ship. If there were multiple Ewar vessels and multiple targets, the DR would apply to each separately so if you switched targets the DR would start over again, just like in other MMO's. Or if (2) Ewar ships were jamming ONE ship they would each suffer from their own DR (not combined) so would have a greater chance to Jam than if only a single ECM ship. This would encourage more Ewar variety in PvP gangs while making small/solo PvP more viable and not who has the ECM wins, basically.

Speaking of TD's, Missiles should be added to the module, say reducing the explosion velocity/sig radius. Conversely, Missiles should ALSO be added to TE's, increasing the explosion velocity/sig radius.

This is a problem with your skills then. EVERY combat battlecruiser can belt rat in null, hell, every T1 cruiser can.

You are probably trying to "hit above your weight" to fast. You should train tanking and cap skills more then try again.

Even still Attack BCs except the Talos are wrong for belt ratting unless you use long range weapons and snipe, problem is you never know where the rats are in a belt so when you warp in you could be warping in close to scramming frigs.



How utterly ignorant. This isn't a matter of opinon son, this is a matter of you not knowing what you are doing in a video game, so much so that you lost a ship in the easiest null sec PVE activity there is. I mean really, how bad does someone have to suck to lose a ship to (non-officer) Belt Rats? By now (since 2007) i must have killed a couple million EVE NPCs, I make a couple hunred million isk per hour with my ratting fleet and I've NEVER lost a ship to belt ratting.

How can someone with so little experience think they know enough about the game to suggest changes? That's crazy.

You can either suck up your pride and learn from us or continue to ignorantly lose ships.

Choice is yours.

you warped at 0 into the belt >.>?