EVE General Discussion

Yes, but I think what I posted is the direction exploration is heading. I certainly intend to take advantage of offering loot I won't get anyhow in exchange for protection from certain groups.

Fitting actual tractor beams to tractor more cans at a time certainly is far more in-line with EvE play style. But doesn't go far enough.

The whole

makes me think why am I here sneaking around in a frigate like Indiana trying to steal stuff from the wreck? There's another kind of exploration. The strip mine the desert with five thousand people kind.

Why can't I tractor the whole wreck into a Carrier ship maintenance bay and dock up in station. Then do my hacking in a pressurized environment, secure the delicate valuable content and reprocess what's left into a pile of Tritanium. Or scoop the whole thing with a Freighter for largely the same purpose. Why do I have to be content taking one measly idol per person from a pyramid full of riches. Especially if the pyramid is located on my property. Mind you, I might have to do some hacking on the wreck first to disable any potential self destruct mechanism, facilitating the at-risk pvp time spent in space.

I know, I know, it's supposed to be an activity for solo/small groups of low skill point pilots. One big minigame. I just feel like there are better alternative mechanics for encouraging bringing a friend to an otherwise solo activity. Focusing it around faster scan and hack time from collaborative effort, resulting in faster respawns of content, can largely accomplish the same goals.

I think there is a significant design goal here to allow a hostile player to wait for the loot explosion to steal and tie it into crime watch in high sec. I just don't see how this would happen. Perhaps if a failed skill check on a firewall in the mini-game resulted in a distress signal, creating a warp-able system wide overview beacon. But even then, if you can only ever grab 6/18 cans and a third party grabs 6 of his own while you are in a non-combat ship... do you care? Are you going to fit for combat, or reship and hunt this suspect over high sec radar loot you were never going to pick up in the first place?

Sorry, no matter what some website says you're playing a multiplayer game that needs various kinds of interaction. CCP is simply evolving the game to be more about what it is and less about the "single player enjoying multiplayer benefits online" thing that is has been.

That simply puts you and people like you on the wrong side of (EVE) History, kinda like the dude who invested all of his inheritance money in buuying new slaves....the day before the American Civil War started lol.

Really, how absolutly foolish and selfish can someone be to aks a multiplayer game maker to NOT make the game more multip-layer because "I like to play solo". No one owes you a video game, if you don't like what EVE is becoming and can't stand it, play something else (like I would if they catered to much to "casauls" in what is supposed to be a hard core game).

I just want to say, that i just got into exploration. Fitted out a perfect Loki that does everything i wanted in every way. And I LOVE it!. The lack of rats in the update is disappointing. This is exploration, you don't know what you are going to find, for all you know you could warp into 10 true sansha Battleships and be destroyed, or warp into a few frigates that did nothing. Getting rid of the rats brings down the Surprise factor. The hacking mini game, my bottom line is it is dumb, i liked the hit the module and wait myself, not complicated, not tedious, and reflected your skills in game based on how long it took to open said cargo. Addressing the cans flying into space portion, eh doesn't sound very fun to me. The items fly away, i get a few, the rest explode and I'm left feeling well this site was crap, too bad i probably missed the 'good' can, although that might just be me. All i was looking forward to form Odyssey, was some new eyecandy for the exploration sites. A new scanning interface, which does look nice, and of course the graphic re-texturing. So i spent 800mill on a ship i can now enjoy for a month, woohoo -_- fantastic. As far as the social aspect goes, i explore with buddies all the time, its fun, effective, and pays well. I see no benefit in the new mechanics, and i really hope this only pertains to Radar Sites, which are already crap anyway.

So begs the question - what are we gonna do with all these expensive exploration Tech 3s eh? As far as i see it its back to ratting.

Terror

I am liking all that I see so far.....even went and updated my Singularity account in anticipation.

But I do not understand the moving of grav to anomalies

Why make this easier? One should have to probe out the sites in high sec, low sec and null - im thinking particularly in high sec when i was a wee podling barely able to explode - i remember mining the large jaspet sites and making lots of iskies - why? because i took the time to scan for them to skill up and learn how to do some basic probing.

So now instead of making people work for this or skill up to find them they just get them given on a platter - this is too easy buttonish for my liking.

~R~

You have a predictable style Jenn. .Your favourite is " you and people like you @@@@ etc etc" Having a contrary view does not make someone a cockroach you know?

But lets stick to FACTS. the solo tag is on the EVE WEBSITE. not some website. Its an EVE personality test and if you like solo then Exploration is recommended. Im not making it up Jen - its on the Eve Site. And presumably put there by the powers that be.

I enjoy playing in a multiplayer environment because these are real people to interact with.
I would LOVE to blow you up, but i would only get complete pleasure by doing it myself- by attacking you in game without any assistance from anyone. Teaming with another blue (i have lots of blues Jenn) would halve my pleasure on this one.

You on the other-hand would be happy enough to see me on your Corps kill mail or blob me.

That is the difference between us ( and people like us )

The other difference is that I'm happy for you to do your thIng whilst you get irritated with people that don't conform

One must ask who it is that is being foolish and selfish here.?

Hmm, I'll be keeping a close eye on this. The new minigame for hacking etc looks and sounds interesting. I have no problem with making it a little more involved so that there is more chance for explorers to not be watching dscan and making the whole activity of hacking in hostile space feel a little riskier (still love when I get that on edge feeling while trying to finish an objective with hostiles in system in low) sounds like a good thing to me. Seems a bit cheesy but if it's done well I could see it being a good addition to the game.

Chasing loot cans around space and being told I am going to miss some of them? Wow, can't express how unfun this sounds to me. I mean Seriously?

I can understand the desire to make it profitable to bring friends along. Sounds logical. But surely there are better ways to do this than making me chase cans around. God that sounds awful.

Why not incorporate it in the minigame itself? Have bonus 'unlocks' that need two people coordinating in the one hack to open. That way a solo pilot can hack into it and loot the basic stuff without it looking like they missed loot that just flew off into space. Then when you bring a friend along you can go for the coop hack that will give the same loot as the solo hack plus a bonus.

And I know that at the end of the day if it's balanced properly it would essentially be the same thing. But deciding to open something knowing I'm ignoring the coop bonus cause I'm alone feels a lot better than having unknown loot fly off into space that maybe, just maybe I could have gotten.

I spose I'm ignoring the bit about people being able to ninja the loot when someone hacks it open, but tbh I can't see this being that big a feature. As it is it sounds like just as much effort to go to to catch someone hacking than just exploring in the first place, with the added disincentive of making you a suspect.

Alopng with "hurting", the truth is also predictable. The truth is the problem is with your choice to lay this kind of game, not something CCP is doing or has done.



When that contrary view is dumb, yea it does make a person something. What, i just don't know.



OR put there by a bored low level ccp website maker. What you keep pining your hopes on is website FLUFF that essentially means nothing. That same site could say "join EVE and get a free Tech 3 Titan", till you are flying in a Tech3 titan, I means nothing.



The above is really weak, the "cry of the inadequate". You have some serious personal problems guy.

Do you really think I sit around at night thinking "OMG, Some anonymous dude with the screen name "Zen Dad" isn't doing what I want him to do and is playing the game different, Blasphemy, burn the heretic!"

It' honestly seems like you (AND YOUR KIND) love to fall back on that self serving bit of insanity, like you are more than just 1 of 6 + billion human beings and somehow therefore important to anyone other than your own mothers. You are not.

No one cares about ANYTHING you do, let alone how you play a video game.
I'm just pointing out that every time you've complained about something in this particular video game on this particular forum, the REAL issue hasn't been the game, but the fact that your personality type just doesn't fit in with what the game is. I'm going to keep pointing that out every time you accuse these brilliant game makers of carrying out Socialist plots just because YOU (and your folks) can't deal with the idea of actually playing a multilayer video game.

Since they haven't actually done anything to make solo exploration any less feasible, you seem to be complaining about absolutely nothing.

slightly off topic, but while CCP is reading this:

Can sites be made to spawn in deep space? i would love to see very deep space cosmic signatures, not always huddled around a 16AU radius of a planet (as it is today) ...