Intergalactic Summit

Directly from the article linked in the first post of this thread...

"The decision went on to read, 'This court also calls into question the capability of the tribal courts to provide a fair and just trial to the accused. In an event that is so emotionally charged, it is the duty of a legal system to provide non-biased jurors and justices to adjudicate the fate of the accused. The accused must be tried by a court of his peers and handed summary judgment by a justice who can be reasonably assumed to be free of any bias. In the opinion of this court, the Minmatar tribal courts would be wholly unable to fulfil either of these prerequisites.'"

The Supreme Court had some semblence of reason until they included that insult.



If the Republic intended Gallente bloodshed, you would know it quite clearly.

But yes, there is a lot of anti-Gallente sentiment building, amongst the Matari both in the Federation and the Republic, and it is because of the Federation government and a decent portion of its citizens.



You mean stereotypes, not "common knowledge." You call yourself a journalist, yet all you spout is stereotypes and then claim there's no need to justify them because they're "common knowledge." Here, let me try my hand at your tactic. "How Gallentean of you. Don't worry about justification for that statement. It's common knowledge."

Considering the general attitude and reaction since the start, which has remained constant throughout the handling of said incident by the Republic, not least highlighted a series of irrational events it has chosen to undertake, I'd say that's a pretty fair evaluation of the situation.

Harsh, and possibly not the most delicately put, but certainly fair. The Federal court speaks without any ambiguity and makes it's opinions quite clear so there is no room for misunderstanding. Whether that's a positive or a negative is down to the individual.


Still, the discussion is irrelevant, unless you're trying to say Tribal law is more important than Federal law within the Federation itself. And I advise you to think very carefully before replying to that line, and all the insinuation that comes with it.

The answer, to any Matari, is Tribal law, no matter where they live. Tribal law is the domain of the Tribes, not exclusive to the Republic.

If you had any understanding of cultures outside your own...



That is a direct response to the Federation proving they have no comprehension of our culture, our laws, or the significance of the crime, nor any care to show the slightest consideration or respect to their allies.

In the Federation, jurisdiction IS determined by location. Customary law, which is what tribal law is outside of the Republic, can not and should not trump the codified laws of a sovereign nation, ally or not.



It's been pointed out before: The perp is a federation citizen, and a number of the victims were gallente. I'm pretty sure if the roles were reversed the Republic would not release the perp to the federation for the same reasons.

PR101 rule #8.

If the perp an a large number of his victims were Federation citizens, their cultural background has no bearing in the justice system. All citizen, indeed all people, are equal in the eyes of the law.

The attack happened in Federation space, by a citizen, against citizens and foreign nationals visiting the FEDERATION.

The Federal courts have jurisdiction. Full stop.

They could have been more diplomatic, yes. But the courts are well within their rights.

An extradition might still happen, after the Federal Courts have completed the case, and cooler heads start to prevail.
I wouldn't be surprised if the extradition was denied because of the good chance of summary judgement and execution without a proper trial. Emotions are running too high to guarantee the accused's safety in a Republic trial at the moment.

May I comment on this? I'm not involved, but it seems like there is an awful lot of talk on who has jurisdiction and legal authority in this matter. I find it sort of an odd perspective to take on the problem, I suppose, which is why I wanted to comment. Please ignore me if I am out of place here.

The trouble of who has jurisdiction is, I think, entirely artificial here. There are no laws save that which the universe provides us, the rest are agreements. Agreements only hold so long as all parties are agreeable, and this appears to be the straining point. The legal systems do not mesh, and all parties feel that they were injured - which they all were.

Perhaps this ought to be taken as a special case, outside of the bounds of normal jurisdiction. Discard the notion of which party is appropriate as the justice and instead find a unique solution which satisfies both parties? I like the thought of a bicameral tribunal with justices appointed from both the Republic and Federation, myself, but perhaps that is too simple.

Let not this sorrowful incident come between friends. This was likely the attackers' intent, and he should not be handed this victory. Moreso, this is not at all what the Ray of Matar would wish.

I wish you all the very best of luck.

It would need to be a tribunal to keep things in order, with a third, unaffiliated magistrate. Either a Concord representative, or a legal scholar from a neutral third party. Without a neutral party, the court would most likely split right down the middle.

Wow, I don't even know what to say to this. In an act of total desperation and cowardice, you turned words that I clearly cited as being from an external source as my own and attacked them. You're really something incredible. Even Diana Kim acts more civil in a heated debate than you do. Never in all my days of debates have I seen such an underhanded method employed.

You wanted evidence, I gave it to you. You, I, and everyone else here know that I didn't say that. That information is from the official Galnet database regarding the nations of New Eden. If you have a problem with what is said then tough luck. Bring it up with the webmaster if you are really that offended, but don't go forcing that rhetoric in my mouth.

It's apparent that you have simply lost the will to refute my claims and argue against my opinions, and are now resorting to stunningly dishonorable personal attacks in order to convince yourself that things aren't going down hill for you in this discussion



Really? Exactly what has the Federation done wrong other than the opaqueness of this investigation? I'm not too sure of how things work in the Republic, but over here in the Federation, taking a stand for your customs, laws, liberties, and rights is not a crime.




It's not a stereotype just because it's true and you don't like it, and despite it being common knowledge I still backed it up for you though of course either through your own conniving means or a lack of intelligence (I'll assume the former since you have to be somewhat smart to do that) you interpreted clearly cited references and quotations as my own words.

I'm not discussing this matter further with you. Throughout this entire debate you have employed ad-hominem as your main tactic. I admit to doing it on occasion myself though nothing on the scale of your rhetoric. Your going to try and have the last say, declare victory, and toss a few more insults my way but I won't respond but feel free to continue living in your microcosm of ignorance and idiocy.

There are people with significantly more honor and pride than the likes of you that I would rather devote my time to talking with, even if we are at a disagreement.

I wish you the best of luck, please feel free to contact me once you've reformed yourself.

That must prove quite painful when facing the realities of intergalactic politics.



That excuse - which has been coming up quite a lot recently - has become really trite and convenient.

The perfect example of that pots and kettles story. At least the Federation has not had the shameless tact to raise it a lot in that case, and they certainly do not lacked the opportunity to do so.