Player Features and Ideas Discussion

For someone who wants to see things changed you sure are enthusiastic about shutting down conversation. Maybe you should listen to the ideas of others and try to learn something.

Regarding the idea of lowsec as a place with lots of little "back alleys" and it's own sort of "terrain" I have wished for a long time that the pirate stargates that you encounter through missions and other content were actually gates, and I think this could be a good addition to lowsec. Keep the "highways" of the currently known gates, but add a network of smuggler gates, possibly accessible based on standings, that people familiar with the area could use to circumvent camps and catch up to prey, in a similar manner to how nullsec sov holders use jump bridges.

Your counterpoint is that if you keep it small and force individuals to pass through it, you'll increase content and not force pirates to have to work so hard. I get that.

But from the looks of it, that is how losec currently is, and that system hasn't worked too well until faction warfare came along.

Instead of being funneled into content that they are not ready for, most smart players (read, not necessarily risk averse, but smart enough to equip for what they intend to do) will simply stick to their respective factions, unless they are using alts to do a quick highway run between empires.

Amarr empire, if closed off by losec, can survive without Jita. It lives perfectly fine when Jita is on fire, and it worked perfectly fine when the trade hub highways were thrown out. There will be more market independence, which I personally like, and it will add more flavor, which I also like.

But if your goal is to generate pirate content and conflict, I'm trying to point out that this would not happen. Much as your stating the flaws in my ideas, I'm stating the flaws in yours. Bottleneck losec more, without somehow increasing the need to travel through it, and you'll actually reduce the traffic.

And Jita isn't as much of a need as newer players who haven't been around through the changes in trade hubs would know.

Individuals aren't forced to pass through low sec at all. The only real funnel is Rancer, which is in fact camped 24/7.

Also if you read the first post you would know I don't propose funneling people, I want to add new regions in the gap between the empires to prevent lots of Rancers from forming.

The problem is right now their is 0 reason for anyone to ever cross low sec for reasons other than pvp or supplying their pos with the occasional badger.

Things like fighting for POS structures promote awesome battles all the time, but that mostly requires capital ship groups. FW is pretty fun but it cuts out pirates and all the small gang fights are pirates fighting other pirates or the militia for no reason at all other than killmails.

Also while the empires can mostly be self sufficient there are lots of things that can't be obtained. Namely Ice, Blueprints, faction modules, certain ores are more common in different empires, tags, etc.

So with fuel prices about to spike the competitiveness of non JF trade will increase greatly and suddenly you have lots of reasons to cross low sec.

If your an idiot and you will always use shortest route then you will probably die yes. I guess your just not smart enough to learn about that avoid systems function.

To bad? Get a friend? Look at the map and hit avoid system? Fit a cloak? Use your D-scan to see smartbomb camps?


Also speaking of discouraging discussion, look at you Mr. "YOUR IDEA IS DOO DOO".

Perhaps you should reply to my counterpoints on why what the Eve beta was like doesn't matter
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2946371#post2946371

Just saying you won the argument means nothing especially how your reason disproved itself.
"This nearly killed eve, and their were eve less people camping then!"
However I, having been to low sec many many many times, rarely encounter gate camps and are an extreme non issue.

It is already impossible to get from one empire to another without crossing 0.5 space.
The risk when crossing those areas is negligible unless goonswarm is bored or your an idiot with to much loot in their hold.


Also I propose this idea as a boost to piracy, not necessarily faction warfare.

Actually its possible to move between Amarr and Rens without crossing any 0.5s systems. I was actually surprised to find that out. Its not like Amarr and Minnies are the best pals after all.

Some stuff are worth alone by themselves to haul over 0.5s and because of their size you have to do it in freighter. Sometimes you simply can't avoid it.

I would like that faction warfare would be boosted. Right now I do not have the feeling that the factions are at war. EVE could really use buff to faction warfare. I think faction warfare low secs in between the empires would be the start. Since they are low sec it would of course also give more opportunities for pirates.

So as said I do agree about the low secs. Perhaps even breaking the 0.5s links between empires and changing them to low sec. Yet this change would affect so many things that its not a simple change to make.

Keep in mind that empire trade is run by players. After the fall of the highway gates, WE the players moved our trade hubs. When Jita burns, trade goes on. When hulks explode, trade goes on.

CCP is already aligning themselves with this mentality. Empire markets are too similar. They are taking a lot of the need for hisec industry (low end minerals and production options and refining loss) and we'll watch the market fall, stabilize, and adapt. Because the players as a whole adapt.

Sorry, history argues against your point on chaos, which may even NEED to happen anyway.

Even if this was true (it's not), why is this a problem?

Because a large demographic of players is starved for content. FW and nullsec don't appeal to lots of players who would rather work in small groups as pirates. It's hard to pirate if the only place you can do it in has nobody in it.

Also it is in fact true, the only industry in null is done inside stations or at a POS. Almost zero traffic goes through gates other than gangs of pvpers who have no purpose other than to shoot each other for shootings sake. (other than FW but that still excludes pirates).


Of course im sure your the low sec master who is very experienced doing pvp right?

Well I actually did suggest somewhere in these 15 pages that ammatar space be given over to the minmatar.

Also while perhaps amarr space will have more manufacturing due to all those stations I think its important to note that things like Ice, LP items, and certain ores will be in shorter supply.
If everyone moved to amarr space then the isk you can make in minmatar space would go up greatly, and where you put mining bears, industrialists will follow, and then war deccers will arrive.

The Amarr LP store doesn't have all the best items, so obviously missioners who have a brain cell in their head would move to somewhere else if they like isk.
Then you have missioners, who are constantly shooting off ammo, wouldn't it be easier to setup a hulk near rens and build ammo there over constantly moving in badgers from amarr?


So yea the bigger space will have more people, problem? At least it wont be like Jita where x4 as many people as any of the other hubs sit their, it would be proportional to the number of people who live nearby.