EVE General Discussion

Those are not the same, and you're taking 5% of my post completely out of context. If you take 5% of my post completely out of context, why not the entire 100%? ..kidding!

Stripped of the rhetorical preface and conclusion, my main alternative suggestion was basically:

1. Move 10% of industry from high to null.

2. Move 80% of industry from high to low.

Which is not balancing industry so that most production is local, but also definitely not a slippery slope argument in favor of the status quo.

Hah, fair enough, I rarely indulge in that hypothetical; but I couldn't resist here.

Looked at the map lately?

If by risk, you mean loss of ship, then 0.0 is the safest, most risk free area in the known galaxy. So high sec , as the riskiest place to live should have the highest rewards.

Mr Epeen

You've failed to consider two points:

I. People in sov null that isn't as good as the best sov-null aren't sov-null losers, they're sov-null mediums. The losers lost their sov completely. You're looking at it with black-white goggles on, learn to see shades of gray.

II. Moon-goo is about to get massively changed, this is really the worst possible time for you to raise this issue.

If they spread the best moons out among more moons, spread over the entirety of low/null, then you'd have to control pretty much all of space to control all the moons.



I never said it wasn't relevant. I said it was a bad time to consider what the conflict driver would be in areas without moongoo riches, because we don't know what those areas will be yet, or if they will even exist. We haven't even defined how much moongoo income will constitute "riches"

Hopefully it would be enemy alliances messing with your players and their industry. Right now we have moons as a centralized resource to fight over, and the egos of CEOs. And you see a lot of other nullsec residents complaining that there is little for them to do outside structure grinds, to take moons or to take sov from some one who insulted your CEO.

A lot of players want small gang and guerrilla war objectives. But structure grinding is too big and boring a task, and there is nothing else really going on in nullsec but ratting. The alliances more or less see ratting as private income generation that they prefer not to have drama over, and since you can shoot red crosses for about the same amount of isk in any where in the game, alliances aren't going to expend much resources to deal with enemies killing ratters.


But when highsec can't produce 100% of the game's ice needs, people will mine in nullsec, and messing with them means messing with the alliance's fuel supply for pos and caps. If the alliance starts to get several battleships of trit out of mining sites, they might actually care if enemies keep disrupting it. Either way, more people hauling ice and trit around, products from the buffed factory station, means more targets for roaming gangs. And rather than targets that are just out for personal income it will mean targets that have some strategic importance.

I understand that. But that explanation does not apply to the fact you can spend the man hours accomplishing both at the same time. Because the inherent flaw is that the man hours spent defending the moon tower does not mean it's under attack. You do not need to be parked in front of it.

Man hours spent defending that same moon tower does NOT mean you HAVE to be parked in front with a combat ship. Intel is just as important. Lookout, watching local, etc.

Those can also be down while gaining active income, such as ice mining.

That's where the argument comes from. You do NOT HAVE to spend 500 man hours defending a moon to gain that 5bil from it. You might HAVE to spend 500 man hours ice mining to equate the same income.

Hence the flaw.

This is because there is nothing for a roaming gang to have a significant disruptive effect on. So there is no reason for the home team to defend against the roaming gang.

We need more targets of strategic significance for small-gang pvp, like the ability to disrupt ratting upgrades similar to services. Something that will get people to undock, because if they don't, when the enemy fleet leaves, life doesn't just go back to normal as if nothing happened.

Leave hostiles for too long in your system, and you could wind up with all your upgrades disabled for several hours, indices dropping in the meantime.

But that's just one possible solution...ANY kind of improvement in this area would be welcome.

edit: for those who live in 0.0: what is easier?

1. Dock up for 5-10 minutes and go afk, then come back and go right to whatever you were doing.

or

2. Form a counter-fleet, for a fight that may or may not happen, depending on several factors, including risk of just plain being hotdropped.



When there is no incentive to fight other than 'gfs', I think most people would rather dock up and play something else.

If risk vs reward is the guideline... Lowsec should be better than both.

That isn't going to happen.