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T3 Drone Legion - C2 (C3?) WHs - will it work?
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Tronnic Rhodan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-05-01 08:41:45 UTC
Hello, it would be nice if someone can tell me if this fitting will work for C2/C3 Wormholes. I really like Dronens. The reason why I want this for my Legion is, because I like to have an all-in-one ship that can scan, clear sites, loot sites and salvage sites (with drones). I am not sure if I will have enough DPS, but tank should be fine.

Im looking for some tips, how this fit will work etc. Would be very nice :)

Now some ship stats: (With all skills V)

Weapon DPS: 157 (with Imperial Navy Multifrequency)
Drone DPS: 237 (with Valkyrie II)
Overall DPS: 395
Range: 8+5km
Drone Range: 84km
Cap Stable @ 55% (without Warp Disruptor & Tractor Beam)
Resistance EM/Therm/Kin/Exp: 83/78/82/86
Tank vs. Sleepers: 616HP/s
Speed: 690m/s with AB (214m/s without)
Cargo: 300m³ (enough for all loot?)

Drones:
9x Warrior II
8x Valkyrie II
5x Salvage Drone I
5x Vespa EC-600

Fitting needs atleast 1 Implant for 1% more CPU (.1 CPU Missing without Imp)
The reason why no T2 Lasers: Not enough skills yet, working on it :)


Thanks for any suggestions.


Loadout:
Quote:
[Legion, Legion WH fit (Drones)]

Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane
Centum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Dark Blood Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Large Capacitor Battery II

Dark Blood Heavy Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Dark Blood Heavy Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Dark Blood Heavy Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Dark Blood Heavy Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Drone Link Augmentor II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Small Tractor Beam II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump II

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x4
Salvage Drone I x5
Valkyrie II x3
Valkyrie II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5


Costs about 1,7B
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2013-05-01 08:54:52 UTC
You should name it 'Frankenstein's Monster'.

Oh god.
Tronnic Rhodan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-05-01 09:06:20 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
You should name it 'Frankenstein's Monster'.


Why? :D
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2013-05-01 09:16:11 UTC
It does not belong in this world.

Oh god.
Fassin-Taak
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-05-01 09:25:53 UTC
this legion fit makes me sad panda :( also Salvage drones don't work on sleeper battleships.
crazy0146
The Federation of assorted candy
#6 - 2013-05-01 09:59:27 UTC  |  Edited by: crazy0146
Wheres the salvager?

Salvage drones sound good and all but your better off with a salvage module, especially with a drone legion as you will lose you main dps with your salvage drones out. Salvaging after you have finished the site is a bad idea with that fit as you spend a longer time at risk of being found.
Also as mentioned salvage drones have problems with Sleeper battleships.

It is better to have a dedicated salvage ship, for example a salvage destroyer works well and is cheap to replace for when you eventually lose it.

Why do you have a warp disruptor on it?

You don't want to be in the situation where you will need the disruptor as 9 times out of 10 you will lose your ship. So replace it with something that will help you complete sites faster, ie. a stasis web, tracking computer or target painter.

Faction pulse lasers?

Faction lasers are just added isk and as you will eventually lose your ship it comes down to are you prepared pay the extra isk for them. If you are using faction pulse lasers because you cant use T2 pulse lasers yet then use the meta 4 lasers instead. If you can use T2 lasers then use them because of scorch.

Tank and Dps

For C2 sites your fit is way overtanked, you need about 200dps omnitank for c2 sites.

For C3 sites your tank seems ok but you dps is way too low.

Drones for Pve

They are only really useful when used with 2+ other pilots as the drones won't be shot as often. otherwise its just not worth it as you will either lose them or have to recall them so often that your effective dps is non existent.

Edit: Expanded answer

ps: if you plan to use this fit please let me know the J-number of the WH you will be in and the time you plan to run these sites as my pilgrim would like to say hi.
Lucius Arcturus
Peoples Capitalist Liberation Front
#7 - 2013-05-01 10:21:35 UTC
Too expensive. Also, not enough dps for C3s.

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Eyana Starstruck
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-01 10:23:18 UTC
The 2 above crazy0146 should try to give suggestion and explain their answers instead of just dissing all over his question.... I just hope you get more help when you ask your own questions cause if not its a sad world you live in...
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#9 - 2013-05-01 10:33:08 UTC
You're absolutely right, Eyana Starstruck. I'd be happy to give a suggestion for a very reasonable fee of just 20m isk.

Oh god.
Eyana Starstruck
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-05-01 10:57:11 UTC
Sad life you must live in...
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#11 - 2013-05-01 11:08:45 UTC
Be nice, Eyana Starstruck.

Oh god.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#12 - 2013-05-01 11:15:19 UTC
Sleepers will love to shoot your dps :>

Honestly, dump the legion, get a prophecy. More damage, still sufficient tank. You got to have some target painting or webbing running to keep sleepers from aggressing your drones.
Flandre Scarlette
Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#13 - 2013-05-01 13:02:01 UTC
Tronnic Rhodan wrote:
Hello, it would be nice if someone can tell me if this fitting will work for C2/C3 Wormholes. I really like Dronens. The reason why I want this for my Legion is, because I like to have an all-in-one ship that can scan, clear sites, loot sites and salvage sites (with drones). I am not sure if I will have enough DPS, but tank should be fine.

Im looking for some tips, how this fit will work etc. Would be very nice :)

Now some ship stats: (With all skills V)

Weapon DPS: 157 (with Imperial Navy Multifrequency)
Drone DPS: 237 (with Valkyrie II)
Overall DPS: 395
Range: 8+5km
Drone Range: 84km
Cap Stable @ 55% (without Warp Disruptor & Tractor Beam)
Resistance EM/Therm/Kin/Exp: 83/78/82/86
Tank vs. Sleepers: 616HP/s
Speed: 690m/s with AB (214m/s without)
Cargo: 300m³ (enough for all loot?)

Drones:
9x Warrior II
8x Valkyrie II
5x Salvage Drone I
5x Vespa EC-600

Fitting needs atleast 1 Implant for 1% more CPU (.1 CPU Missing without Imp)
The reason why no T2 Lasers: Not enough skills yet, working on it :)


Thanks for any suggestions.


Loadout:
Quote:
[Legion, Legion WH fit (Drones)]

Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane
Centum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Dark Blood Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Large Capacitor Battery II

Dark Blood Heavy Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Dark Blood Heavy Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Dark Blood Heavy Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Dark Blood Heavy Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Drone Link Augmentor II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Small Tractor Beam II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump II

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x4
Salvage Drone I x5
Valkyrie II x3
Valkyrie II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5


Costs about 1,7B


If you love drones, train Gallente. ;~;

As is, sleepers absolutely love to chew delicious drones. Also, i find that even small drones have issues on some of the smaller frigs, so maybe take off the web and point and put omni's.

..or you can, you know, just not massacre the legion as a drone boat. a Pulse legion with scorch and some slight pimping can smash c2's and clear c3's with a bit of practice. IIRC a friend had a ~1b legion that could solo anything up to c3 radars.

If you insist on the drone path for amarr, the proph is a nice drone boat now, and if you insist on not training amarr's primary weapon system a sacrilege can do OK, but has some issues with range.
Baggo Hammers
#14 - 2013-05-01 15:41:39 UTC
395 applied DPS is barely enough for level 3 missions, sorry.

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Pseudonymphette
#15 - 2013-05-01 16:14:14 UTC
crazy0146 wrote:
Wheres the salvager?

Salvage drones sound good and all but your better off with a salvage module, especially with a drone legion as you will lose you main dps with your salvage drones out. Salvaging after you have finished the site is a bad idea with that fit as you spend a longer time at risk of being found.
Also as mentioned salvage drones have problems with Sleeper battleships.

It is better to have a dedicated salvage ship, for example a salvage destroyer works well and is cheap to replace for when you eventually lose it.

Why do you have a warp disruptor on it?

You don't want to be in the situation where you will need the disruptor as 9 times out of 10 you will lose your ship. So replace it with something that will help you complete sites faster, ie. a stasis web, tracking computer or target painter.

Faction pulse lasers?

Faction lasers are just added isk and as you will eventually lose your ship it comes down to are you prepared pay the extra isk for them. If you are using faction pulse lasers because you cant use T2 pulse lasers yet then use the meta 4 lasers instead. If you can use T2 lasers then use them because of scorch.

Tank and Dps

For C2 sites your fit is way overtanked, you need about 200dps omnitank for c2 sites.

For C3 sites your tank seems ok but you dps is way too low.

Drones for Pve

They are only really useful when used with 2+ other pilots as the drones won't be shot as often. otherwise its just not worth it as you will either lose them or have to recall them so often that your effective dps is non existent.

Edit: Expanded answer

ps: if you plan to use this fit please let me know the J-number of the WH you will be in and the time you plan to run these sites as my pilgrim would like to say hi.
Tronnic Rhodan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-05-01 16:17:03 UTC
okay, thanks for all the awnsers I got here. I thought it might be enough DPS, but since you guys say that salvage drones dront work on Sleeper BS, I can throw the idea away. Smile

Im really new to all the wormhole things, the only thing I did was flying with friends into C2 WH's (with an Faction Cruiser).

I guess I will just wait till I can fit all T2 (30 more days to go Blink ) and then clearing the WH with my Legion and salvage with another ship.

Thanks to everyone.
Maxxor Brutor
Borderline Procurements
#17 - 2013-05-01 22:32:55 UTC
Salvage drones do work on sleepers, but especially on the large wrecks they're really really (really) slow.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#18 - 2013-05-01 23:13:13 UTC
395 is riculously low dps for the price tag. Not sure if trolling. :D Sell this fit and plex another account to domi for it for much better results. ;-)
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#19 - 2013-05-01 23:25:35 UTC
Maxxor Brutor wrote:
Salvage drones do work on sleepers, but especially on the large wrecks they're really really (really) slow.


Eh. Not all of them. Max skilled salvage drones have an access chance modifier of +13%. A Large Advanced Wreck has an access chance modifier of -20%. So with your chances of access sitting at -7% per cycle -- it never, ever happens.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-05-02 00:12:24 UTC
sacrilege would do this better wouldn't it? Same ship skills just need to train hams

Art of Explosions
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