Warfare & Tactics

There are 2 main reasons no one cares about the other 90% of systems.
1) Its broken because rabbits are the most efficient way to win. No one cares about a broken game. Notifications and a form of rollback will change that. Yes you are right that ccp may need to tweak the rollback timers. But lots of people like to fight outside areas where everyone has their booster alt and blob for back up.

2) They changed the payout stucture so that there is very little reason to even try to hit tier 5. When they had the cashout stucture you had to get 80% of systems to hit tier 5. So this meant people did care about the other 90%.




If each farmer I chased out immediately lost say 3 minutes off their timer and then the plex started rolling back from there (both capped out at neutral.) I would keep them out. If I could find about 6 others in the amarr militia to do this with we could each easilly cover about 10 systems and win faction war. Of course the other miltiias would have pvpers as well and so what you would find is that many pvpers would start joining faction war and you would see much more wide spread pvp throughout the faction war zones. (not just 2 jumps from kourm) I would likely actually need the lp I make from plexing just to replace my t1 hulls.

With these changes the ratio of farmers to pvpers would no longer be 9 to 1. The farmers would definitely make more isk doing things like running missions - even faction war missions. The ratio of pvper to rabbit would likely reverse and be 9 to 1 in favor of pvpers.

had to do it but after cross matching both your boards cearain u still only managed ur prediction a 3-4 in over 4 years not every month like stated

i think Deen makes a fair point on the subject, many of the involved in this conversation seem to extremise a little too much the present state of things in facwar.

Here is how I interpret the intentions of the developpers regarding this part of the game;

the lowsec sovereignity game is on the better part irrelevant to the amount of combat that takes place throughout its map. I see it as a mechanic that is well distinguished from the actual warfare between the two sides. It is only relevant to the economy; it is the means of sustaining the ever-continuous belligerence between lowsec dwellers, as the amount of held and upgraded solar systems mainly impacts on profitability of FW activity, such as missions and plexing, and not on numbers or quality of fights you obtain.

The goal of the developper here is to create a balance between a means to sustain our pvp and the warzone where all those assets are deployed, to create a resource-generating profession and fuse it into the battlefield daily activity. Sovereignty is irrelevant to your operational capability, less loosing a core system of course which can negate you a prime strategical waypoint. but If you seek true-impact sovereignty chess games, you understand that perhaps you should turn your gaze towards other areas of the starmap.
The goal of the company was also to provide the warfare that is forecasted in factional warfare; we can agree to this day, they have set on a promising path.
If your problem is you can't get fights, then I believe something isnt correct in the expectations you carry towards lowsec warfare. I do not remember the last time I lurked around placid/black rise more than 15 minutes without being engaged.

But if you take part in a satisfying number of fights, but have a problem with Lp rabbit farmers, aka people making money on your watch that you can do nothing about, i believe you arent really concentrating your focus on fights to begin with. If you really put importance into FacWar then you would probably not even give attention to farmers, who since the dawn of gaming have existed, no matter how hard you despize them.

And by all means, lets face it, Ccp has given us a very efficient and pofitable way of fueling our dearest activity; Eve pvp. I say lets thank the hand that feeds us and not complain about the sand grain on our cheesecake.

Sorry, but first we're not talking about a single sand grain on our cheesecake, but even if we did I dare wonder who of us still eats the cheesecake at a restaurant after discovering sand on it.

I think we fail to realize that we pay for CCP's livelihood and WE should determine when something isn't good enough and THEY should want to fix it when WE complain.

No wonder we let our politicians become corrupt in rl, we just let them do whatever they want to us in the name of "they do so much already for us".

details aside, a good point.

Just a bit of background for you as an FYI.

I started playing EVE on day 1 of release so I have plenty of time in the world of new eden to see the biggest highs and lowest lows. It took me litteraly months to afford my first arbitrator, so get over yourself and have a bit of humilty. It'll do you good in the long run trust me. Please don't insult yourself assuming this is the only toon I have played on (as I have already mentioned in a lot of my other posts my history with eve)

Ok chest beating over with.

Since when did I say that a game developer shouldn't listen to the players? I didn't. What I said was that they shouldn't give us a hug and wipe our arse. i.e. not just give us everything we ask for as players because 'we' as players are generally a bunch of greedy, ignorant people as to what is 'best for the game'.

The fact that CCP is actively engaging the playerbase is an excellent thing and is one of the biggest fails that happened in the past. But this by no means indicates that everything that gets put down on these forums should be implemented into the game, that would kill it quicker than a tac nuke in the back yard.
Looking back into MMO history - Ultima Online, the pioneer in pvp centric games. Well a lot of players asked for a 'pve' area that was safer for them to play in. sure they got it and for a year or so subs went up but then they quickly declined and even though the game is still around today it is a shadow of it's former glory.

So you serisouly think that we should just get what we ask for when we cry on these forums?!

There is nothing stopping you having the FW you want. Just get out there and make it happen rather than whine on the forums about it. Seriously the mechanics aren't the issue. It's people apathy to actually putting the effort in to make something happen so they whine on the forums and expect CCP to wipe their arse, give them a hug and a nice lollypop. Man if the older playerbase did that during the first couple of years of eve then most of the 'golden history' or eve would never have happend because all the players would have quit because you know :effort:

Get over it!

Yeah just go an convince more people to make farm alts than there are farmers against you, to join your losing side where they wont make much money, so you can flip the systems so pvpers can pvp better by actually docking to reship/refit etc

its that easy and the mechanics are fine.

im not sure why fw is even in low sec anymore, since the focus is to get chars into it for the easy isk and not about pvp

they would get more alts rolled if it was high sec tbh


but oh noes? who would shoot the hubs!?

to respond in order:

1) Unsure what you mean on this

2) They are trying. Its hard coded, but they are attempting to bring it on grid, like an module or a <250km effect (confirmed at FF)

3) Rewarding people for fighting poorly is not something CCP is accustomed to. While it may help the FW effort, without a FW/lowsec CSM don't expect to see this (or to see a balanced version)

4) Exploitable. At the FF roundtable it was declared that even if it was tied to the worth of a ship (like LP is now) that people would exploit.

I am unsure what the best path forward is for FW, but just here to drop some knowledge so that the debate can move forward with realistic ideas on teh table.

FW feels like a chick with fake boobs, looks and sounds good but there is no game to it