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Isk and PVP potential for C2 or C3

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Tardo Forumalt
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-05-01 12:06:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tardo Forumalt
Alright, well i lived in a c3 with one of my RL buddies for about 3-4 months with just our alts and we did manage to make a crap ton of isk for two people, paid off the tower and ships in the first night there.. but all our chars were really high SP, and we had billions invested in faction fit ships... which i don't have that type of isk ATM

But say for a smaller corp of 3-4 pilots, with one of them being really low SP, whats more viable for Profit and PvP? (c2 or c3) I kind of understand how much c3's can make, but ive never done a c2 (I went straight to C3)

We have a few shield pilots and 2 armor pilot.. my question is also are there any viable setups for a c3 with multiple people running them that mix differant tanks with out each of of spending a small fortune on our T3's?

I was also curious to know, t1 logistics using 2 alts... would that work out in a c3 or would the t1 cruisers not have enough tank?
Thanks for any input!

and i guess a TLDR version
What WH is better for a small corp to earn enough isk to support their PvP?
Flandre Scarlette
Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#2 - 2013-05-01 12:49:05 UTC
I think that a c3 with a static c2/Low/hisec would be best for you guys, or a c2 with a c3/hisec. As long as you don't open the hisec too often so daytrippers don't steal your sites (unless you want to bait them in, of course...), the logistics of moving stuff back and forth isn't a hassle, and c2's are the most active for pvp, where the c3 will give you enough isk to support the pew, even if it is your home system. Just be sure to do your PI and suck the gas when there's no noms or people to shoot.

as for the ships that you'll need, as long as your logi pilots keep moving and you have at least 2 of them, tank shouldnt be an issue. IIRC there's a really nasty triple bs spawn in a mag or a radar c3 that has some heavy neuts, but 1 logi should be able to keep the other one alive, even under neuting, if piloted correctely.

I wouldn't mix tanks, that's almost never good. If you don't want to bling out t3's, try battleships or HAC's. BS's will have issues applying dps to smaller targets, so i'd bring at least 1 chara in a cruiser for dedicated frig popping. for a group of 5 or so, try this. higher SP pilots in dps bs's, with the lower sp characters in cruisers or BC's if you're worried about tank, even if their tanking or command skills in that race suck, they should be ok with logi.
Aducat Ragnarson
Blootered Bastards
#3 - 2013-05-01 12:58:05 UTC
Big difference between c2 and c3 is their statics. C3s can only ever have k-space statics, so HS, Low or 0.0. C2s on the other hand have two statics, one k-space and one w-space. Considering that you can easily run out of sites in a C3 and then have nothing to do for the better part of a week, a c2 with HS static and a C3 static might be what you are looking for. That way you have easy access to HS, and unlimited access to C3 sites as you can always roll your static C3 to find a good system with a lot of sites in them. T3 cruiser can easily solo all the anoms in a C3 and if you bling fit them a little or RR them, you can easily manage the rad and mag sites also.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-05-01 13:09:05 UTC
Flandre Scarlette wrote:
I think that a c3 with a static c2/Low/hisec



If only they existed.
Castor Troyy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-05-01 13:16:07 UTC
How much are you really looking to spend? DPS BS's will hit the cruisers/BS and melt them pretty fast.

Me and a RL Bud lived in a c3 a long time ago and we had 2 nightmares and 2 tengus all RR, the tengus would RR eachother cap stable and the nightmares would RR/Cap Transfer each other. I know you wanted to keep it cheap, but with our fits with only big money was the nightmare hulls. They werent much more shiny than that. With that time of set up we were doing c3 sites in under 5 minutes. We would do them for about an hour and then break out a pair of salvagers (noctis) and would clean them up. It worked well, w/ a vigilant dscan it would be tough to catch you guys. I think you should have a c2 static c3/hs that way you can roll the c3 for pve/pew and have the hs for traffic...the dual static allows the opportunity for more traffic which means higher chances of pew. T1 logi's would work, but imo..make the investment in some real ships....it will pay dividends..the faster you can do them the safer you will be.
Flandre Scarlette
Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#6 - 2013-05-01 14:24:55 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Flandre Scarlette wrote:
I think that a c3 with a static c2/Low/hisec



If only they existed.


oops, posted one too many connections there. xD
Josilin du Guesclin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-01 15:00:17 UTC
I don't have personal experience with the Auguror, but the Osprey (T1 Caldari logi cruiser) is pretty damned good. IF you have one pilot who can effectively fly a Basilisk (i.e. Logi 4-5) the Osprey is effectively unkillable by sleepers, and the Osprey is sufficient to keep a Basi up. Just make sure your logi has afterburners and never stops moving.

That said, most of the stuff in a C2 is soloable by a soldily tanked Drake, so if you go for a C2 you'll have stuff to do when you're solo (assuming you're willing to risk being jumped and ganked, of course - I was dumb and lost a faction BS this way a few weeks back).
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#8 - 2013-05-01 15:19:10 UTC
Drakes can run all the C3 anoms solo, super cheap, easy to skill up, everyone running a Drake each would be very cost efficient and even when not everyone is online the anoms can be done solo.

However the Drake is getting nerfed with an upcoming patch so not sure about the viability after the nerf, Drake also has the advantage of being cheap and fielding a massive tank so nobody wants to shoot you (beware while salvaging though)
Tardo Forumalt
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-05-01 15:24:46 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Drakes can run all the C3 anoms solo, super cheap, easy to skill up, everyone running a Drake each would be very cost efficient and even when not everyone is online the anoms can be done solo.

However the Drake is getting nerfed with an upcoming patch so not sure about the viability after the nerf, Drake also has the advantage of being cheap and fielding a massive tank so nobody wants to shoot you (beware while salvaging though)


Curious, do you know what specificly is getting nerfed on the drake?
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#10 - 2013-05-01 15:59:36 UTC
We are currently operating in a C3 with LS Static. We are 4 active pilots 1+ Year and two 6- months old. Normally our youngsters use scythes for flying anomalies (You can fit a tanked, cap stable scythe with Cruiser III) while 2-3 older players do BC DPS ships on the cheap. Easily done.
Baseline: Let the younger chars fly logistic.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#11 - 2013-05-01 16:17:52 UTC
I'd suggest finding a c2 with c3/hs statics. My corp lived in one of those for long time before moving up to c5 space. c2 sites are easily soloable even for newer guys and the c3 can be farmed as much as you want. The highsec is good for getting pvp let your anoms stack up and daytrippers come in thinking the wh is vacant or inactive. Higherclass chains looking for kspace exits also give potential pvp :)
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-05-01 18:52:04 UTC
Karak Bol wrote:
We are currently operating in a C3 with LS Static. We are 4 active pilots 1+ Year and two 6- months old. Normally our youngsters use scythes for flying anomalies (You can fit a tanked, cap stable scythe with Cruiser III) while 2-3 older players do BC DPS ships on the cheap. Easily done.
Baseline: Let the younger chars fly logistic.



This statement makes me so happy. Before it was "let the jack-ass with 50 million skill points fly the Logistics since they take forever to train for properly." Glad to see things getting shaken up because of the cruiser changes.

Svo.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.

Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#13 - 2013-05-01 21:30:41 UTC
Tardo Forumalt wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Drakes can run all the C3 anoms solo, super cheap, easy to skill up, everyone running a Drake each would be very cost efficient and even when not everyone is online the anoms can be done solo.

However the Drake is getting nerfed with an upcoming patch so not sure about the viability after the nerf, Drake also has the advantage of being cheap and fielding a massive tank so nobody wants to shoot you (beware while salvaging though)


Curious, do you know what specificly is getting nerfed on the drake?


It's getting it's shield resistance bonus nerfed from 5% to 4%. Not monumental, but certain C3 sites were cutting it pretty close on a Drake, however with at least 2 Drakes there should be no problem still.
Josilin du Guesclin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-05-01 22:59:45 UTC
Svodola Darkfury wrote:

This statement makes me so happy. Before it was "let the jack-ass with 50 million skill points fly the Logistics since they take forever to train for properly." Glad to see things getting shaken up because of the cruiser changes.

It still pays to have a fully skilled Basi/Guardian or two in a C5 (talking non-escalations, or using sub-caps to DPS the escalations), but you can safely have two Ospreys in a three/four-logi chain in them if you have good DPS (it gets a bit hairy if the DPS is bit bit under-tanked). And by 'Osprey' I mean one flown by someone with Cruiser-IV, and the remote transfer skills at III-IV, but skills for a T2 tank - so not a very old character at all.

Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#15 - 2013-05-02 00:23:16 UTC
I'd say C3 over a C2, much better potential for profits. Easily solo'd with T3 cruisers, and more than possible with small BC gangs. Also, a lowsec static gives you an immediate exit to the land of small gang PvP.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-05-03 01:35:07 UTC
Lots of decent advice above. I agree, with most everyone, and reckon a decent C3 would meet your needs and provide quite the return. C3 static-low, IMO, provides a good access compromise. If you absolutely must get a character out to hisec the routes via lowsec are less challenging than if you had a nullsec static, and you’re less attractive to camp from the pov of hisec daytrippers. For your actual logistics you should have a hisec-direct WH every week or so and, anyway, you can haul most of your high value stuff in a covops frigate via lowsec if you get desperate for isk.

A well run C3 is, IMHO, the best isk-per-effort for a solo or very-small-gang wormhole denizen. I initially worked up to a C3, as a low SP wormholer, and then later after working C4s and C5s solo, moved back to C3 for stable reliable income stream before quitting w-space. There is heaps more isk to be made in C4s, 5s, and 6s but that income is largely dependent on some serious gang efforts.

Low SP toons may have some initial difficulty clearing C3 sites, but that will settle down fairly soon … drakes and missiles are boring as **** and slow, but they are also cheap, easily-trained, reliable, and on the skill-path towards tengu.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.