Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is a reason why none of freighters have over 1mil m3 of cargo even @all5 skills. Add low/rig slot on any freighter and you'll see carriers being smuggled to highsec.

The issue with freighter ganking, is generally a bad decision by the freighter pilot.

"Let me see, I'll put all my possessions into one ship, they have a value of x (which is displayed in the lower right hand corner of the screen for their cargo hold) which is worth N times what 5 taloses and 10 catalysts are worth. I'll undock, fly through a choke point system with a sec status of 0.5 to get where I want to go. What could possibly go wrong?"

So long as N > 2 there is a risk of being ganked. The higher N goes, the higher the risk goes.

You want a chance to survive a gank...best way to do that is to avoid the gank in the first place. Shocking I know.

It reminds me of a guy I used to know in game. He came into chat and was talking about how he was hauling stuff for a friend and got ganked and now has to buy the guy new stuff. We asked him where he was ganked, his answer...Rancer. He decided to fly through Rancer...to save a few jumps...in an industrial. This was awhile ago, but even I knew that was a bad, bad decision. After that we laughed at him.

Agreed, I think its a really good proposition. It would give freighter pilots a choice, cause there is no real one atm.

how are they broken? they haul alot, they have alot of hp to burn through, and they serve their purpose

So? Just because 1 player suffers a large loss means nothing. Not in this game. And it isn't 0% survivability unless they just want to kill you no matter what. In the latter case not much can be done. In general though don't fill your freighter with a cargo that is too valuable and generally you'll be fine.



Maybe you need to go to the doctor to get your humorous looked at.

the only way to build an outpost is by taking a freighter into null sec. They will not fit in anything else. I believe ihubs also require a freighter.

First of all show me a situation where a 18 wheeler was attacked by a tank. My analogy of comparing freighters to APC's was right on. they do not use unarmored 18 wheelers to pass through a war zone. they used armored vehicles. You say high sec is not a war zone? Well in EVE combat ships are the equivalent of tanks and military vehicles in the real world. If it is not a war zone then why are they there. Where 18 wheelers are used there are no tanks to attack them. By your logic then there should be no military ships in high sec, aside from concord (the police) then freighters would be able to fit a similar role to 18 wheelers.

I a not asking for combat ships to be nerfed in any way. Neither am I asking for freighters to be turned into combat ships. I am only asking that the balance of risk vs reward for freighters be restored to what it was 3-4 ago.

At that time a freighter gank would cost about the cost of the freighter hull. - this is a fact.

Currently a freighter gank can be done for about half the cost of the freighter hull. - this also is a fact.

It is currently twice as easy to gank a freighter as it was 3-4 years ago.

To restore the balance, as in the risk vs reward freighters were meant to have when they were added to the game. I am not asking for them to be made ungankable, but if they were buffed from the current 200-250k ehp to 5-600k ehp they would still be easy to gank. But be able to haul a decent load before they became profitable.

This would not give them more than they had before. A load worth about 1 billion isk 3-4 years ago, the same load would now be worth about 2 billion. So not only can freighters be ganked twice as easily as they used to, but can only haul half as much as they used to safely. No matter how you look at it, this is an imbalance when compared to what they could do 3-4 years ago.

At any rate I am done discussing this. Recent comments from Dev blogs at fan fest has indicated that not only are freighters and jump freighters to get a similar balance pass as the mining ships did, but all transport/hauler ships will be looked at. This will happen, regardless of how much the gankers cry about it. This thread alone has filled my bucket of ganker tears. I may have to start selling them while they are still rare. The ganker tears will really start to flow when industrial ships get there balance pass in the next couple months.

Good point. But CCP could even write the code for making that slot fittable just with the Damage Control.