Player Features and Ideas Discussion

But...they dont move in EFT

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Therein lies the dilemma... What solution creates a fair system to all class of missles over all ranges of ship sizes?

The answer can't be something shoehorned into a solution.

Except that the Falcon/whatever is going to be 30-50km out, and his friends are almost certainly much closer. Who do you think the FoF missiles go for?

And here was me thinking that the tradeoff was that while missiles always hit they seldom hit for full damage, and are more sensitive to target size than guns are. In particular this means that missiles' alpha is rather lower than EFT/EVE in-game numbers suggest.

Unless I was mistaken you have been advocating that missiles be different throughout the thread. So on that ground, changing the missile mechanics for range and flight would be fine.

And what you are missing is that the present missles are not fair and feasible in game. Unless you are PL or Goons or Test that use a swarm of hundreds. Ever heard the concept of "Quantity has a Quality all its' own" -Stalin. In terms of Eve if you put enough people in a sub-par ship with sub-par weapons, it will work anyway just due to numbers. As long as the numbers has reached or broken past that critical point.

Missiles don't hit 100% of the time. Inty's and some Faction Frigs can out-run missiles. Sufficient speed and small enough sig radius compared to explosion velocity and explosion radius nullify damage. In short, doesn't matter if you "hit 100%" if there is zero to paint-scratching damage. Missiles need mechanics changed. There is no reason that missiles can't be changed.

Hell, I would even take reducing damage if the application was better. Keep in mind that I protested the HML damage nerf. As it would affect my effectiveness severely at the skill-level at that point in time. I wouldn't care if missiles dealt damage in a pinpoint fashion that mimicked turrets. I want missile systems to be as effective at damage application as turrets.

Only when missiles can apply damage as efficiently as turrets will they be on even-ground. Till then they are not!

The mechanic change that I proposed wouldn't make it more complicated for the player. Definitely not for the sysem! I bet that having a freaking ball of drone-death puts far more strain on the servers. With the smart-tip tool as of last patch, all the player needs to see is range, damage, DPS, damage-type and number of rounds in magazine. To be honest, I bet you that it would less complicated for a newer player. Acceleration is an easy comcept. If they can't, that is their problem and probably wouldn't have lasted in Eve anyway.

Footnote: I would argue that doing mental math for optimal, falloff and tracking is a hell lot more tiring. Then having to do that for every single type of ammo you load. Even if it is easier like for lasers and hybrids (where damage-type stays constant).

The irony in todays technology compared to Eve is that a railgun will fire a projectile at 7x the speed of sound, yet the fastest missile can go 23x the speed of sound.

Grant it the missile takes a little time to build up to that speed, the fact of the matter is, in game, the missile should be faster, but since the build up of speed is in order, I think it would be fair that a missile at max range should take only a couple seconds longer to hit than a round from a gun.

While technically Amarr weapons are the only ones that should hit almost instantly.

Though i would be willing to make the exception that missiles at long range should be about the 2 second mark and at close range, instant.

I would be all for it but, you will never hear the end of it from turret users.

Could just make missiles act and be affected exactly like guns, but give them a graphic, such as an instant streak of flame across space to the target, like lasers have light.

Get rid of the useless defender missiles and just make them affected by TD's like guns.

In the end, it would make everyone equal. Still call them missiles, no change to anything else. Just instant hitting missiles.

I have no problem if they arent instant hitting, but I doubt CCP will find the balance for them. Where they actually work well.

We can not snipe with them, and people claim, how the range on cruise is unfair, they of course dont use them. Even with the 14 seconds with max skill, they are not a sniping weapon.

At this point, it would be better to make them like artillery, give them serious hitting power and shorten the range alot. Give them a base of like 120km.

Drop the travel time and increase flight speed so they hit within like 2-3 seconds of firing.

Small gang is close up, and turrets will still preform better than missiles.

Top notch fleet BS? Tier 3 battle cruisers are beating it.

As for Drake and Tengu spam, yes it worked because Goon threw hundreds of people in a noob friendly ship and the ship had a large enough tank get reps in time.

To which people complained how it was too over powered because they were too lazy to do the counter. So the missile sstem was nerfed to hell when it has not been touched in years.

Thats the problem, someone finds a way to make a poor weapon system usable and then turret users complain.

They also make up the huge majority of the game because missiles in general suck.

I dont see a problem with having a fast missile system considering our modern day missiles can fly 8km/s and are actually faster than all turret weapons aside from lasers.

So in eve technology, we can propel a ship,rail,blaster,projectile,artillery and of course a laser to the speed of light but we cant propel a missile faster than our modern day speed on earth that also has gravity and wind resistance affecting it.


Sounds pretty ridiculous yes?

P.S- I am being realistic. In reality, the only weapon that should hit almost instantly are lasers. Other turrets should not be hitting instantly.