EVE General Discussion

Actually for the large part the consumer dictates the supply of the retailer, marketing is used to sell the franchise. The retailer chooses its target market of course but within that market it is the demand of the consumer that dictates the supply.

Many years ago supply was dictated from the producer to the consumer, that has shifted over the years to from the consumer to the producer.

Seriously people.. complaining that rebalances are just updates that should have happened long ago and that other game companies crunk them out by the month?

You should get a proper perspective.

Eve is a UNIQUE MMO game. It's a freaking sandbox, we don't consume dev generated content that then gets rebalanced along the way to the next expansion to tweak it a little, only to become obsolete when the next expansion hits ( like WoW and pretty much every other MMO out there ). We get the tools to make our OWN content. Rebalancing and changing mechanics in Eve is HUGE.
It's far more complicated and further reaching than just changing a couple of items or talents on a class, which eventually don't matter any way because the next expansion will make them all obsolete anyway.

As such, rebalancing Eve IS worthy of being called an expansion, because it totally changes the universe we play in. at all levels of play. And the amount of rebalancing they did was HUGE.. come oddessy, the whole face of NULLSEC will change. Tech WILL drop in price, moongold while still atm printing machines will no longer the end all be all. Industry will have the basic tools again to begin working out there properly. Without all the horrible hoops you have to go through now, which make anything on small scale and non-capital scale as well as any T2 industry all but impossible at the moment.

As for the complaints about all the DUST stuff.. I guess you missed the fact that there were tons of round tables that weren't streamed that talked about Eve, and only Eve. And a lot of the stuff that wasn't about Eve 'directly' like all the mobile PS Vita stuff,
it actually IS important to Eve as well. The technology they are developing that is making it work is part of the Eve universe framework that the game is built on. Expanding this technology will make Eve more accessible in many ways that you can't even imagine right now. I was at the roundtable about the DUST Companion App, and while yes, that specific app was about Dust, it wasn't the only thing we talked about, in fact, we were talking far more in general about 'how to connect to the eve universe'.
Be it as a capsuleer, or a dust bunny.

Also, please take a GOOD look at the current trailer/teaser they released, it's about the Eve Universe as a whole. About how those who are immortal are slowly gaining power as a whole, making the mortals become less and less significant.
I specificly said those who are immortal, as capsuleers aren't the only immortals, dust bunnies are also immortal. And with the new uprising expansion coming up for them, their impact on the face of Eve will become bigger, and their usefullness to capsuleers will expand.

Someone said you're going to need a Playstation, a PC, a vita, and a tablet to 'properly' play eve in the future, wrong.
The Eve universe is simply becoming bigger. You don't NEED to have a Playstation and play dust, or have a PS Vita to check your stuff in dust, or a tablet or whatever.
Just like a pirate has no use of industrial skills, it doesn't mean that those skills aren't totally useless for everyone, nor does it mean nobody will be interested in them. Having Dust integrate further with Eve just means there's more ways to be part of the Eve Universe, and means to get an ace up against someone else in there, if you have the right friends. ( Or the isk to hire them )

As for the VR game, aside from the fact it's totally awesome ( I've played it ), it was made by CCP Employees in their OWN TIME. As a side project, for fun. I hope that it will be expanded on, maybe like some kind of seperate minor title they can release at some point set in the Eve franchise. ( Or perhaps as part of DUST, preferably with a pair of datafists so I can hold my virtual gun in my real hands, or hop into a Jet and have some serious dogfights in the sky above )

EDIT forgot this:

Also, the concept 'Eve is Real' is really very unique. Sure it's a game, but the stories that happen in 'our' universe are real. They are stories of real losss, gain, betrayal, loyalty, hate, war, honor, etc..
And that's why I think the whole concept of that TV series will be even more mindboggling.. because there will be people who can say 'I was There', when those episodes air. That the stories that will be portrayed in those shows are based on True Stories that happened in the past.
You can't get better story material than that.. seriously..

Well, first off, this Fanfest should have been named CCP Fanfest instead of EVE Fanfest. Don't get me wrong. I like CCP, I like EVE but I need to call it as I see it!

The upcoming patch/expansion, for me, is awesome. It's a first step in putting life back into this game where it needs it the most. Nullsec. Sure, it won't do that on it's on, but hopefully in a future patch they'll take another step in this direction.

People ***** about lacking new content. Well, I was one of the guys that quit EVE when they released Incarna. I don't really want new content if it means that the rest of the broken features get forgotten. EVE needs this overhaul has someone before me in this thread said. (sorry, no quote!)

Dust .... well gentlemen, Dust may share the same universe in a very small way but it's NOT EVE! Dust works on a dying console and ONLY in a dying console. I don't own a console nor do I intend to. That's all fine, I get that CCP as a company need to diversify their product line and get new business, but it's just not the same ******* game. It shares a very very very small part of a universe (for now) and nothing else!


What I'm failing to understand since it's announcement, is how in the hell is PI income relevant enough to actually make me care about all these things. POCOs? Mercs? Having to defend my PI installations? Seriously? Even in null, PI income is at the very best lacking.

You either set it up to make some actual isk, in which case it's no longer a passive income as it requires so much attention it's just better to use that same time doing something else that makes more isk ... or you set it up a passive "10m a day thing with a occasional 1h a month haul" in which case it's not worth the ******* troubles it's presenting. Hiring mercs? Having to deal with POCOs? For a couple of hundred mil a month? Got better things to do with my time in EVE! ****, if I dedicate that time to my market alts I do more than 10x the income...

So how is PI and by association, Dust, relevant in any meaningful way? I do understand CCPs take on it. They want the money. What I don't get is why should I, as a EVE player, give a **** about it if it's just giving me crap without giving me anything back?

Will hiring dust bunnies get a return on investment other than "my oh my, you can have your PI on that planet all for yourself!"? :)

I thought fan-fest was mostly about the booze and nerd-boners, CCP has BS us enough about what their intent is for EVE, that I take it with a grain of salt.

I defiantly felt like they were deepthroating me with DUST content all fanfest when I have no interest in buying a 7 year old piece of hardware just to play some FTP game that is worse than BF2142 which I already have on PC.

I know fanfest is aimed at DUST players aswell but surely they should look at who bought tickets and if they were EVE / DUST players.

If they were 80% eve players then it should not have 50/50 content.

Sense... you make none.

And yes, it's a lot more work, as you have to consider the impact any changes will have, as they are not somethign that will just 'go away with the next expansion when the old stuff becomes obsolete'.

Hell, just for ship balancing, with only frigates in mind, my estimates as a software engineer for just DESIGNING the test cases to properly test any changes ( let alone designing the changes themselves ), would be well over 2 weeks of work. You have any idea howmany cases and howmuch impact a change on any level of the game would make everywhere else in it?

As someone who was actually there, (I WAS THERE! IT WAS REAL!) I do have to somewhat agree.
Then again, the Eve keynotes were pretty damn sexy.
All in all I would like to see a little bit more focus on Eve during an Eve event, but the need to plug their new stuff everywhere is understandable. CCP is a pretty kewl company in the end.

Also, I hereby offer Hilmar unlimited free Thoraxes if he joins my corp.