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Ice prices are too damn high!

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#141 - 2013-04-30 23:40:01 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I've not seen it mentioned yet, but hisec spawns will have 2500 units of racial ice.

https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/329251984098070528



Hrm.... Doing the math and say 35 units of ice per 15 minutes that gives about 1071 minutes for one person.

For 5 people thats 214 minutes.

For 10 people that is 107.

For 20 that is 53 minutes.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#142 - 2013-04-30 23:44:57 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
You're assuming that more ice won't get mined in nullsec, and that none of the surplus ice production in nullsec will be traded.

But the HBC, for instance, can't mine its own Caldari ice. They'll have to trade. Likewise, the CFC will have to go to market for Minmatar and Amarr ice, and so on.

As soon as ice prices rise high enough to make it worth getting out a Mack instead of an anom farming ship, then it will happen.



And the Ice harvesting rate doubling is there to help make that happen at a somewhat lower unit cost of topes.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2013-05-01 00:14:31 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
You're assuming that more ice won't get mined in nullsec, and that none of the surplus ice production in nullsec will be traded.

But the HBC, for instance, can't mine its own Caldari ice. They'll have to trade. Likewise, the CFC will have to go to market for Minmatar and Amarr ice, and so on.

As soon as ice prices rise high enough to make it worth getting out a Mack instead of an anom farming ship, then it will happen.



And the Ice harvesting rate doubling is there to help make that happen at a somewhat lower unit cost of topes.

It is on a fixed resplendent of 4 hours, which means there will only be a maximum of 6 spawns per anomaly, assuming they are mined out.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Romvex
TURN LEFT
#144 - 2013-05-01 01:21:13 UTC
CCP should spoon feed ignorant people who don't read devblogs by sending them eve mails with the info, because this is just stupid
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#145 - 2013-05-01 01:33:03 UTC
Romvex wrote:
CCP should spoon feed ignorant people who don't read devblogs by sending them eve mails with the info, because this is just stupid

There is nothing wrong with intelligent players robbing the ignorant and the blind.

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John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#146 - 2013-05-01 01:49:03 UTC
Let's all calm down.

Despite all of these changes, Mining Permits can still be purchased for 10 million isk from any New Order agent or James 315 himself. That's 1 year of bump free anom mining for 10 million isk!

Ask about our 2 permits for 20 mil and 10 permits for 100 mil specials! Buy one for a friend or your whole fleet.

Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#147 - 2013-05-01 01:54:03 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
Let's all calm down.

Despite all of these changes, Mining Permits can still be purchased for 10 million isk from any New Order agent or James 315 himself. That's 1 year of bump free anom mining for 10 million isk!

Ask about our 2 permits for 20 mil and 10 permits for 100 mil specials! Buy one for a friend or your whole fleet.


Since when did mining permits become so cheap? Those things are worth at least 100M.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#148 - 2013-05-01 02:01:08 UTC
I left EVE in January or February.

Plex were at 600 mill +
Trit was at 6 p/u
Technetium was at 120K

Plex now at 520
Trit is running around 4.25
Tech is at 40K

Fuel blocks are up?
I still wouldn't waste my skill slots making the damn things. You are free to do so if you want.
dark heartt
#149 - 2013-05-01 02:18:28 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
I will admit.

I must thank all of you who bought my Caldari and Minmatar fuel blocks at stupidly high prices. My account is almost plexed into 2016 please continue to buy. I would love to have a free account all the way to EvEs 20th birthday.


Right now I love you Doom.

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Frying Doom
#150 - 2013-05-01 05:48:41 UTC
People need to listen, ice will soon have its supply cut and mining income will soon be crap.

So everyone that owns a high-sec research POS should by there stocks now before prices go even higher.

Oh and of course I might like a few more plexLol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Danni stark
#151 - 2013-05-01 05:53:11 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
People need to listen, ice will soon have its supply cut and mining income will soon be crap.

So everyone that owns a high-sec research POS should by there stocks now before prices go even higher.

Oh and of course I might like a few more plexLol


price of ice goes up, mining becomes crap...

yeah not sure that works, but ok.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Frying Doom
#152 - 2013-05-01 06:03:23 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
People need to listen, ice will soon have its supply cut and mining income will soon be crap.

So everyone that owns a high-sec research POS should by there stocks now before prices go even higher.

Oh and of course I might like a few more plexLol


price of ice goes up, mining becomes crap...

yeah not sure that works, but ok.

The price of Ice is going up, and if you had not noticed high sec is about to lose a massive amount of sales, of ore to its largest customer.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Danni stark
#153 - 2013-05-01 06:09:59 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
People need to listen, ice will soon have its supply cut and mining income will soon be crap.

So everyone that owns a high-sec research POS should by there stocks now before prices go even higher.

Oh and of course I might like a few more plexLol


price of ice goes up, mining becomes crap...

yeah not sure that works, but ok.

The price of Ice is going up, and if you had not noticed high sec is about to lose a massive amount of sales, of ore to its largest customer.


it's not going to lose massive amounts of ore at all, not unless there's a flood of miners running to null sec, which i doubt.

nocxium isn't having any extra supply added to it, which makes up a large proportion of pyro's content. based on the mineral prices that mynnna predicted in his tmc article pyro will still be worth ~26-27m per hour. considering scordite wasn't that much higher in isk/hour i honestly don't think "the end is nigh!" in the slightest.

but hey, it's more fun to claim it is than do maths, right? :D

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#154 - 2013-05-01 06:12:45 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
People need to listen, ice will soon have its supply cut and mining income will soon be crap.

So everyone that owns a high-sec research POS should by there stocks now before prices go even higher.

Oh and of course I might like a few more plexLol


price of ice goes up, mining becomes crap...

yeah not sure that works, but ok.

The price of Ice is going up, and if you had not noticed high sec is about to lose a massive amount of sales, of ore to its largest customer.


If by "massive" you mean "about 2-3%" yes, I suppose it is.

Must you sensationalise evrything? It really does damage the discourse.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#155 - 2013-05-01 06:14:39 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
People need to listen, ice will soon have its supply cut and mining income will soon be crap.



If by "crap" you means "shoot up to 40M/hr", yes.

Must you get everything wrong? Ice miners will make the same ISK in half the time or less. Thus at worst freeing them up to mine ore or conduct other activities.

Or is this propoganda designed to trick people into abandoning the profession so that YOUR ice mining alt can make more ISK...?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Danni stark
#156 - 2013-05-01 06:23:24 UTC
25m/hour on ore * 80% of your time.
40m/hour on ice * 20% of your time.
that's an average of 32m/hour, that's better than scordite's current ~30m/hour.

so let's see, these changes give high sec miners, at best, an extra 2 mil/hour, and at worst, 5m/hr less. however this small insignificant change stops null sec mining being a total joke, and facilitate more industry activity in null sec.

what have ccp done?t his is horirble, i mean, good changes should be banned.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#157 - 2013-05-01 06:37:46 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:

The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head.


You're reading it wrong. Highsec will only spawn enough ice to meet 80% of the whole universe's demand. It will spawn roughly 800% of what it needs to meet Highsec's demand.


Just for funsies, currently what percentage of the universe's ice consumption is sourced from high sec?


Currently 98.4% of all isotope ice is mined in highsec.

While highsec uses less than 15% of the isotopes in EVE.


Even when presented with facts, themepark carebears cry. I guess it time to just ignore them since they don't understand something as simple as game balance.

The Tears Must Flow
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#158 - 2013-05-01 06:42:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaju Enki
Sentamon wrote:
Prices will double again, perhaps tripple when the patch hits.

Fun times.


It's excellent, Ice will be like Oil, a scarce resource. I think i will help with the power projection problem, it going to be expensive to move cap fleet's around.

The Tears Must Flow
Gulboy
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#159 - 2013-05-01 07:44:22 UTC
STOCKPILE EVERYTHING!!!!
I won't be refining my arkonor for now for example.
Cryten Jones
Advantage Inc
#160 - 2013-05-01 07:48:57 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:

The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head.


You're reading it wrong. Highsec will only spawn enough ice to meet 80% of the whole universe's demand. It will spawn roughly 800% of what it needs to meet Highsec's demand.


Just for funsies, currently what percentage of the universe's ice consumption is sourced from high sec?


Currently 98.4% of all isotope ice is mined in highsec.

While highsec uses less than 15% of the isotopes in EVE.



With the move to sites does this mean that there is a % chance of ice belts spawning in Wormholes? And before all the "makes it too easy" comments, not sure that random ice types, massive hauling or crap refining (if you can even do that at a mobile array..humm) constitutes as easy.

Thanks