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Ice prices are too damn high!

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Zhade Lezte
#101 - 2013-04-30 20:37:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhade Lezte
None ofthe Above wrote:
The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head.


Read the dev blog again, he says that enough ice is supposed to spawn in highsec to meet 80% of TOTAL demand. And he goes on to say that highsec should continue to be a significant "exporter of ice" with the changes, implying that highsec uses a fair amount less than 80% of total demand. All that capital fuel, jump bridge fuel, cynos, and nullsec PoS fuel add up!

(Sorry if someone addressed this but god I'm not reading this whole thread.)
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#102 - 2013-04-30 20:37:41 UTC
Someone is cornering the ice market and manipulating prices in Jita...

Whoever it is bought out all the sellers and put up 21,000 white glaze up for 355K.

The buy orders have gone todwn to 211K though.

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Danni stark
#103 - 2013-04-30 20:39:34 UTC
Zhade Lezte wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:
The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head.


Read the dev blog again, he says that enough ice is supposed to spawn in highsec to meet 80% of TOTAL demand. And he goes on to say that highsec should continue to be a significant "exporter of ice" with the changes, implying that highsec uses a fair amount less than 80% of total demand. All that capital fuel, jump bridge fuel, cynos, and nullsec PoS fuel add up!

(Sorry if someone addressed this but god I'm not reading this whole thread.)


yeah ccp fozzy beat you to it, with some rather amazing statistics.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#104 - 2013-04-30 20:39:39 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
logic would dictate, as a miner, you would carry on mining ore until the ice belt respawned. or you'd be sensible and mine in a system with multiple ice anoms so you could do them one after another.


Do we have any confirmation on multiple ice anomalies? Or is this part of my suspicion as well, but no solid backing.



as per the dev blog

That dev blog you should have read wrote:
all systems that currently contain ice belts will have at least one instance of these new Ice Anomalies. Some systems, mostly those that currently contain two or three ice belts, will contain multiple instances of the Ice Anomalies.


Thanks for the confirmation. Now I know where to look. Hopefully people won't be trolls in the multiple ice anomaly fields and mine everything out but the last 1m3 so the belt won't respawn.

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Danni stark
#105 - 2013-04-30 20:41:32 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Thanks for the confirmation. Now I know where to look. Hopefully people won't be trolls in the multiple ice anomaly fields and mine everything out but the last 1m3 so the belt won't respawn.


i've found myself a pretty sweet spot in caldari space, odds are in a months time this place will be full of people.

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2013-04-30 20:41:56 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Someone is cornering the ice market and manipulating prices in Jita...

Things like this have never happened before.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#107 - 2013-04-30 20:47:21 UTC
Amarr Citizen65821 wrote:
What gives CCP?!!!

Ice has more than doubled in the past week.

If this travesty keep up I will have to tear down all my WH POS becauyse I cannot aford it!

You mean it's back to last year's prices?

Cool. Wish I had the capital to take advantage of all this tinfoil.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#108 - 2013-04-30 20:52:57 UTC
Amarr Citizen65821 wrote:
What gives CCP?!!!

Ice has more than doubled in the past week.

If this travesty keep up I will have to tear down all my WH POS becauyse I cannot aford it!



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Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2013-04-30 20:57:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Xython
Captain Tardbar wrote:


Thanks for the confirmation. Now I know where to look. Hopefully people won't be trolls in the multiple ice anomaly fields and mine everything out but the last 1m3 so the belt won't respawn.


Why, thank you for this wonderful idea. I shall cherish it for the next few months. :)

Won't work though: Anyone can scan them down (and the bots will be updated within hours after the expansion is live, if not earlier due to the test server), and thus anyone can rush in and take out that last 1m3. You wouldn't delay the respawn for more than a few minutes at most.

No, if you really want to get creative, what you do is fly in there with a bunch of NPC corp alts and bump anyone trying to mine that last 1m3. If you were careful, you could keep that 1m3 stuck in limbo for hours if not days, shutting down all ice production in that anom.

... Hmm... Pirate
Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
#110 - 2013-04-30 20:58:22 UTC
CCP Fozzie


Currently 98.4% of all isotope ice is mined in highsec.

While highsec uses less than 15% of the isotopes in EVE.[/quote]

Shocked Stoopidly obvious question. How is this balanced ?

Considering that this expansion has one of the biggest ever rebalancing initiatives in EvE's history, how could such a glaring oversight as this be allowed to move forward with nary a raised eyebrow ?

20% would provide a buffer, 30% a warm blanket. Anything past 40 is an error in judgement. 80% is just an outright abomination.
Danni stark
#111 - 2013-04-30 20:59:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Danni stark
Xython wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:


Thanks for the confirmation. Now I know where to look. Hopefully people won't be trolls in the multiple ice anomaly fields and mine everything out but the last 1m3 so the belt won't respawn.


Why, thank you for this wonderful idea. I shall cherish it for the next few months. :)

Won't work though: Anyone can scan them down (and the bots will be updated within hours after the expansion is live, if not earlier due to the test server), and thus anyone can rush in and take out that last 1m3. You wouldn't delay the respawn for more than a few minutes at most.

No, if you really want to get creative, what you do is fly in there with a bunch of NPC corp alts and bump anyone trying to mine that last 1m3. If you were careful, you could keep that 1m3 stuck in limbo for hours if not days, shutting down all ice production in that anom.

... Hmm... Pirate


and garpa tells me there are only 114 high sec systems to shut down...
but that might change due to the amarr systems changing.

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Danni stark
#112 - 2013-04-30 21:00:33 UTC
Havegun Willtravel wrote:
Shocked Stoopidly obvious question. How is this balanced ?

Considering that this expansion has one of the biggest ever rebalancing initiatives in EvE's history, how could such a glaring oversight as this be allowed to move forward with nary a raised eyebrow ?

20% would provide a buffer, 30% a warm blanket. Anything past 40 is an error in judgement. 80% is just an outright abomination.


quite easily, people in null sec mine ice. that's how it's balanced.

there's no glaring oversight here, just your sense of entitlement that thinks high sec should produce 100% of the currently demanded ice.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#113 - 2013-04-30 21:01:42 UTC
Havegun Willtravel wrote:
CCP Fozzie


Currently 98.4% of all isotope ice is mined in highsec.

While highsec uses less than 15% of the isotopes in EVE.


Shocked Stoopidly obvious question. How is this balanced ?

Considering that this expansion has one of the biggest ever rebalancing initiatives in EvE's history, how could such a glaring oversight as this be allowed to move forward with nary a raised eyebrow ?

20% would provide a buffer, 30% a warm blanket. Anything past 40 is an error in judgement. 80% is just an outright abomination.
[/quote]


80% requires all the anomalies to be mined out almost immediately.

Which probably won't happen. I wouldn't be too surprised to see things being adjusted in the future, with this being used to make sure the market doesn't completely crash

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2013-04-30 21:05:15 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
logic would dictate, as a miner, you would carry on mining ore until the ice belt respawned. or you'd be sensible and mine in a system with multiple ice anoms so you could do them one after another.


Do we have any confirmation on multiple ice anomalies? Or is this part of my suspicion as well, but no solid backing.


The guys from ccp said during the industry roundtable that systems that currently have multiple ice belts will have multiple ice anoms post-patch.

And that in such systems one could possible mine ice constantly because the time it takes to mine out an anom would be enough that another could spawn by the time you finished the one you are in.
Rengerel en Distel
#115 - 2013-04-30 21:06:51 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
Xython wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:


Thanks for the confirmation. Now I know where to look. Hopefully people won't be trolls in the multiple ice anomaly fields and mine everything out but the last 1m3 so the belt won't respawn.


Why, thank you for this wonderful idea. I shall cherish it for the next few months. :)

Won't work though: Anyone can scan them down (and the bots will be updated within hours after the expansion is live, if not earlier due to the test server), and thus anyone can rush in and take out that last 1m3. You wouldn't delay the respawn for more than a few minutes at most.

No, if you really want to get creative, what you do is fly in there with a bunch of NPC corp alts and bump anyone trying to mine that last 1m3. If you were careful, you could keep that 1m3 stuck in limbo for hours if not days, shutting down all ice production in that anom.

... Hmm... Pirate


and garpa tells me there are only 114 high sec systems to shut down...
but that might change due to the amarr systems changing.


Doing it for hours would also fall under harrassment, especially if it actually worked to keep the site from respawning.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Danni stark
#116 - 2013-04-30 21:08:09 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
logic would dictate, as a miner, you would carry on mining ore until the ice belt respawned. or you'd be sensible and mine in a system with multiple ice anoms so you could do them one after another.


Do we have any confirmation on multiple ice anomalies? Or is this part of my suspicion as well, but no solid backing.


The guys from ccp said during the industry roundtable that systems that currently have multiple ice belts will have multiple ice anoms post-patch.

And that in such systems one could possible mine ice constantly because the time it takes to mine out an anom would be enough that another could spawn by the time you finished the one you are in.


fozzy confirmed there are 2.5k units of ice in an anom.

for it to take 4 hours to mine out an anom that's 5 mackinaws per ice anom.
have you ever seen an ice belt with only 4 mackinaws in it?

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Danni stark
#117 - 2013-04-30 21:09:17 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
Xython wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:


Thanks for the confirmation. Now I know where to look. Hopefully people won't be trolls in the multiple ice anomaly fields and mine everything out but the last 1m3 so the belt won't respawn.


Why, thank you for this wonderful idea. I shall cherish it for the next few months. :)

Won't work though: Anyone can scan them down (and the bots will be updated within hours after the expansion is live, if not earlier due to the test server), and thus anyone can rush in and take out that last 1m3. You wouldn't delay the respawn for more than a few minutes at most.

No, if you really want to get creative, what you do is fly in there with a bunch of NPC corp alts and bump anyone trying to mine that last 1m3. If you were careful, you could keep that 1m3 stuck in limbo for hours if not days, shutting down all ice production in that anom.

... Hmm... Pirate


and garpa tells me there are only 114 high sec systems to shut down...
but that might change due to the amarr systems changing.


Doing it for hours would also fall under harrassment, especially if it actually worked to keep the site from respawning.


"we'll stop bumping you and let you mine this ice for a 10m isk permit".

sound familiar?

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#118 - 2013-04-30 21:11:42 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
logic would dictate, as a miner, you would carry on mining ore until the ice belt respawned. or you'd be sensible and mine in a system with multiple ice anoms so you could do them one after another.


Do we have any confirmation on multiple ice anomalies? Or is this part of my suspicion as well, but no solid backing.

Its in the blog and some Dev comments. Systems with multiple belts could have multiple anoms. Note the Could. Not all will.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#119 - 2013-04-30 21:13:09 UTC
Danni stark wrote:

"we'll stop bumping you and let you mine this ice for a 10m isk permit".

sound familiar?



I'm RL g--.

But Bumping is SERIOUSLY ga- ! Lol

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#120 - 2013-04-30 21:14:33 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
logic would dictate, as a miner, you would carry on mining ore until the ice belt respawned. or you'd be sensible and mine in a system with multiple ice anoms so you could do them one after another.


Do we have any confirmation on multiple ice anomalies? Or is this part of my suspicion as well, but no solid backing.

Its in the blog and some Dev comments. Systems with multiple belts could have multiple anoms. Note the Could. Not all will.



We won't really know a thing until the beta is on Sisi in the middle of next week. There could be 10 Ice anoms at a time for all we know right now, really.

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