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Ice prices are too damn high!

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-04-30 16:22:22 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:

I think better questions would be, "Who DIDN'T think there was too much ice? Who DIDN'T think that ice was too cheap?"

It will be a drastically shorter list.

well it's cool to be smart AFTER ALL HAPPENED.

Link any thread with people speaking "there is too much ICE in Eve Online" please. I've never seen such. Would be interesting.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Danni stark
#42 - 2013-04-30 16:23:25 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:

I think better questions would be, "Who DIDN'T think there was too much ice? Who DIDN'T think that ice was too cheap?"

It will be a drastically shorter list.

well it's cool to be smart AFTER ALL HAPPENED.

Link any thread with people speaking "there is too much ICE in Eve Online" please. I've never seen such. Would be interesting.


pretty much every thread that combines "afk" "mining" and "bots" any 2 of the 3 will do.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-04-30 16:26:05 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Quote:
...and that bots are going to be fuckered up by this change...

Okay, seriously, why the **** do you people believe this?

Any time game mechanics change a bot programmer has to do some work. That's why I believe my statement. Hence "bots are going to be fuckered up by this change", and I daresay we'll be treated to some delicious tears by Nosy Gamer before the dust settles.

The way scan results are displayed will probably change as well, which means even more programming to be done. Sure, it's not a permanent hit to bots, no one believes that, but the short term will be hilarious.

TL;DR: calm the **** down, no one thinks this change is for bots and no one thinks bots are going away forever.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Tshaowdyne Dvorak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-04-30 16:27:29 UTC
Danni stark wrote:


yeah, null sec kills don't really count for what i was referring to.


You should keep your eyes open after Odyssey, then. If people with negative sec status can just buy tags off of the market and wave it away with a magic wand, you might well be screwed.

You also probably never noticed the giant killboards posted during Hulkageddon events in years past, such as Hulkageddon V. Observe that there are 65,143 kills logged in total for that one. There was a ton of that going on before the buff to tank that mining ships got. According to your Eveboard, you missed out on a lot of it because your character's too young (unless it's an alt of characters that have been around a lot longer).
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#45 - 2013-04-30 16:35:24 UTC
Whoa... just checked. They did go up. Think I am gonna break out my ice miners and take advantage of this while I can. Lol
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-04-30 16:45:50 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:

I think better questions would be, "Who DIDN'T think there was too much ice? Who DIDN'T think that ice was too cheap?"

It will be a drastically shorter list.

well it's cool to be smart AFTER ALL HAPPENED.

Link any thread with people speaking "there is too much ICE in Eve Online" please. I've never seen such. Would be interesting.


pretty much every thread that combines "afk" "mining" and "bots" any 2 of the 3 will do.

so. any link?

PS: i don't care about bots or afk. i just want to see bolded part

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Haulie Berry
#47 - 2013-04-30 17:05:23 UTC
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Hence "bots are going to be fuckered up by this change"


A lazy sunday afternoon's coding - and I'm being pessimistic about their programming chops, here - is not "fuckered up". That's idiotic.

Some Rando wrote:

The way scan results are displayed will probably change as well, which means even more programming to be done.


Unlikely. Bots give zero fucks about the way the UI displays anything. Unless they changed the format of the scan result raw data, they won't even notice.
None ofthe Above
#48 - 2013-04-30 17:08:21 UTC
March rabbit wrote:

so. any link?

PS: i don't care about bots or afk. i just want to see bolded part


Pretty sure I can find you more posts complaining about the costs of running a POS though.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Danni stark
#49 - 2013-04-30 17:14:11 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:

I think better questions would be, "Who DIDN'T think there was too much ice? Who DIDN'T think that ice was too cheap?"

It will be a drastically shorter list.

well it's cool to be smart AFTER ALL HAPPENED.

Link any thread with people speaking "there is too much ICE in Eve Online" please. I've never seen such. Would be interesting.


pretty much every thread that combines "afk" "mining" and "bots" any 2 of the 3 will do.

so. any link?

PS: i don't care about bots or afk. i just want to see bolded part


depends if you're looking for that exact phase in writing or implication.

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-04-30 17:16:22 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Quote:
Hence "bots are going to be fuckered up by this change"

A lazy sunday afternoon's coding - and I'm being pessimistic about their programming chops, here - is not "fuckered up". That's idiotic.
Some Rando wrote:
The way scan results are displayed will probably change as well, which means even more programming to be done.

Unlikely. Bots give zero fucks about the way the UI displays anything. Unless they changed the format of the scan result raw data, they won't even notice.

Roll
Never stop being mad.

CCP has no sense of humour.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#51 - 2013-04-30 17:25:08 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:

Who thought there was too much ice? That ice was too cheap?


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Masuka Taredi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2013-04-30 17:26:44 UTC
Amarr Citizen65821 wrote:
What gives CCP?!!!

Ice has more than doubled in the past week.

If this travesty keep up I will have to tear down all my WH POS becauyse I cannot aford it!


You mean you don't set aside ANY of the billions you can make in a Wormhole with a solid POS setup?

Really?

REALLY?

I'm sure you can get some change together to buy some more fuel to fund your isk printing wormhole system operation.
Haulie Berry
#53 - 2013-04-30 17:27:48 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Danni stark wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:

I think better questions would be, "Who DIDN'T think there was too much ice? Who DIDN'T think that ice was too cheap?"

It will be a drastically shorter list.

well it's cool to be smart AFTER ALL HAPPENED.

Link any thread with people speaking "there is too much ICE in Eve Online" please. I've never seen such. Would be interesting.


pretty much every thread that combines "afk" "mining" and "bots" any 2 of the 3 will do.

so. any link?

PS: i don't care about bots or afk. i just want to see bolded part



What you'll generally find is less, "There is too much ICE in Eve Online" and more "Ice mining isn't profitable enough. The former is the cause, the latter is the effect that people actually feel. Ice mining hasn't been profitable enough because ice is oversupplied.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=165612

Plenty more threads just like this one. Also pretty easy to just do the math.
Haulie Berry
#54 - 2013-04-30 17:28:34 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Quote:
Hence "bots are going to be fuckered up by this change"

A lazy sunday afternoon's coding - and I'm being pessimistic about their programming chops, here - is not "fuckered up". That's idiotic.
Some Rando wrote:
The way scan results are displayed will probably change as well, which means even more programming to be done.

Unlikely. Bots give zero fucks about the way the UI displays anything. Unless they changed the format of the scan result raw data, they won't even notice.

Roll
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Because pointing out that your posts are stupid is the same thing as being mad. Roll
Velicitia
XS Tech
#55 - 2013-04-30 17:38:51 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Implying Implications wrote:
Buy a Retriever and get mining ganked.


FYP.


i'm convinced miner gankers are like the boogie man.

i've never seen one.
it's a story to scare small children.



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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#56 - 2013-04-30 17:41:05 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
This. They're the Reavers of New Eden.
Sporting rather dodgy make-up?
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#57 - 2013-04-30 17:48:13 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:

The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head.


You're reading it wrong. Highsec will only spawn enough ice to meet 80% of the whole universe's demand. It will spawn roughly 800% of what it needs to meet Highsec's demand.

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Haulie Berry
#58 - 2013-04-30 17:50:09 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:

The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head.


You're reading it wrong. Highsec will only spawn enough ice to meet 80% of the whole universe's demand. It will spawn roughly 800% of what it needs to meet Highsec's demand.


Just for funsies, currently what percentage of the universe's ice consumption is sourced from high sec?
Danni stark
#59 - 2013-04-30 17:52:02 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:

The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head.


You're reading it wrong. Highsec will only spawn enough ice to meet 80% of the whole universe's demand. It will spawn roughly 800% of what it needs to meet Highsec's demand.


Just for funsies, currently what percentage of the universe's ice consumption is sourced from high sec?


at 7m/hour pre speculation, i'm going to say no lower than 90%, would even be tempted to say 95%

Ice Mining Skill Plan.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#60 - 2013-04-30 17:53:27 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Quote:
...and that bots are going to be fuckered up by this change...


It would be EXTREMELY difficult, if not impossible, to devise gameplay mechanics that would be difficult to bot .


Show me a bot in incursions... I've seen a few ISBOXERs do it but they lose 90% of the competitions when we decide to bother with them ( TBH if we found out a bot could do NMC's we'd probably let them so more NCO's & OTA's spawned )
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'