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New Order Claims Victory Against AFK
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Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#61 - 2013-04-30 10:11:23 UTC
1) Ice still exists after Odessey....

2) Ice can still be afk mined, albeit not for weeks on end after Odessey....

3) More isk per m/3 due to finite reserves after Odessey....

4) ^^ means less mining for the same isk

5) Faster cycles per minute means less time having to put up with mining ice for towers...





I dont know.. seems to me the new order has amounted to nothing short of inspiring "counter-bumping" as an emergent gameplay....

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2013-04-30 10:13:29 UTC
posting in thread "we are still here! pay attention to us! anyone?"

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Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#63 - 2013-04-30 13:56:14 UTC
DSpite Culhach wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Ah yes, the ol' "gankers ruin ganking" argument.


I don't think that is simply what happened. "Suicide Ganking" was the one of the first un-intended Emergent Gameplay that appeared, up there with can flipping, and CCP realized that these were subjects that needed looking at.

For that matter your Alliance is blatantly stating that "Miners ruined Mining" and that you guys are the only way to fix it. CCP has finally decided that Mining has issues and it's now getting looked at.

If CCP stated tomorrow "ALL mining Bots in EVE have been removed and we have made it impossible for people to use scripts to mine" you guys would NOT close up shop and stop what you are doing, you would state that it's impossible to not AFK mine because no one can look at at beams hitting an Asteroid for hours.

I don't mine, but I could easily dual screen at work and mine 8 hours a day straight while doing other work. I would not be AFK, and I would not be botting, but I would still annoy people like you, and you would still hunt me, because the hunting is what you want, not changes to the game.


Quoted for the fact these words ring truth...

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Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
#64 - 2013-04-30 14:11:53 UTC
This makes me remember an Iraqi official during the 2nd invasion of that country, proclaiming to the media that they were winning and even crushing the coalition forces. We all know what REALLY happened during that conflict.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#65 - 2013-04-30 16:38:49 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
In the name of the Savior of of Highsec James 315, the Code, and the New Order of Highsec, I hereby formally claim the coming changes to mining as a victory against the AFK.



How can you say that when AFK moon goo operations are being expanded so greatly with Odyssy? Ugh


A. Because moon goo isn't AFK, it's logged out. If you figure out a way to mine ice while logged out that CCP is ok with, then I am confident I can get you New Order approval for it.
B. There are a number of moon goo towers currently, call it X. The number of moon goo towers after Odyssey may well be less than X, in my opinion. Are you personally guaranteeing otherwise?



A: Logged out AFK is even more AFK then logged in AFK, duh Roll
B: Patently wrong look at the mechanics you'll need more towers due to extra reaction added.

Face it If anything this expansion is reinforcing the AFK moon goo teat with 200 afkable resource rich new moons.
This expansion is really a nerf to HI SEC AFK and a BUFF to NULL SEC AFK 

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#66 - 2013-04-30 16:41:47 UTC
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New Order Claims Victory Against AFK


Still 'claiming' other peoples stuff, are we? Aren't y'all just so puppy dog cute.

Mr Epeen Cool
Josef Djugashvilis
#67 - 2013-04-30 16:59:20 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
In the name of the Savior of of Highsec James 315, the Code, and the New Order of Highsec, I hereby formally claim the coming changes to mining as a victory against the AFK.



I do not mine, nor do I gank or go near miners.

I had as much to do with the coming resource shift as James aged 13 and a bit, and his ego.

This is not a signature.
Holderof Corp
Doomheim
#68 - 2013-04-30 17:03:43 UTC
Posting in a Look at me thread QQ
Serptimis
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2013-04-30 17:21:11 UTC
Uzbeg Khan wrote:
Stop giving these morons attention and they'll go away.

thats all they really want, someone to pat them on the head and say 'That'll do roleplayer, that'll do'
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#70 - 2013-04-30 17:26:10 UTC
Reuben Johnson wrote:
This thread reminds me of politicians, who claim victory whenever something good comes about...



"Mission Accomplished" Lol

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Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2013-04-30 17:28:54 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
A: Logged out AFK is even more AFK then logged in AFK, duh Roll


Nope. Roll

Is this a normal type of response for you? If you say someone's asleep, and get a response: "He's not asleep man, he's dead", do you respond "Dead is even more asleep than asleep, duh Roll" ?

The common definition of AFK is "logged in, but not sitting at the computer paying attention to it" I frankly don't believe that you log off for the night and tell your corpies "going afk".

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B: Patently wrong look at the mechanics you'll need more towers due to extra reaction added.


No towers are *needed*, actually. People are free to decide not to put up towers to mine moon minerals. the question we were discussing was: will there be more towers, or less towers; I notice that you're evading the question of whether you're personally guaranteeing there will be more, but instead making mocking and irrelevant insults, to disguise your lack of argument.

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Face it If anything this expansion is reinforcing the AFK moon goo teat with 200 afkable resource rich new moons.


Moon goo isn't AFK, it's logged out. Not every moon currently has a tower, so adding 200 more moons doesn't automatically mean there will be 200 more active towers.

I would go into how the real game balance issue with moongoo isn't actually number of towers, but total profit available and distribution thereof, but we aren't making progress on the number of towers issue so perhaps we should finish that discussion first.
Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#72 - 2013-04-30 18:07:09 UTC
This feels like a "Mission Accomplished" moment. Someone find this man an aircraft carrier.

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Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
#73 - 2013-04-30 20:25:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Reuben Johnson
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Reuben Johnson wrote:
This thread reminds me of politicians, who claim victory whenever something good comes about...



"Mission Accomplished" Lol

I see you're "Mision Accomplished" andr aise you a "We are out of the reccession"
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#74 - 2013-04-30 23:57:29 UTC
Reuben Johnson wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Reuben Johnson wrote:
This thread reminds me of politicians, who claim victory whenever something good comes about...



"Mission Accomplished" Lol

I see you're "Mision Accomplished" andr aise you a "We are out of the reccession"



Lol

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#75 - 2013-05-01 00:26:34 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
A: Logged out AFK is even more AFK then logged in AFK, duh Roll


Nope. Roll

Is this a normal type of response for you? If you say someone's asleep, and get a response: "He's not asleep man, he's dead", do you respond "Dead is even more asleep than asleep, duh Roll" ?

The common definition of AFK is "logged in, but not sitting at the computer paying attention to it" I frankly don't believe that you log off for the night and tell your corpies "going afk".





It doesn't matter if he logged out or is logged in... He is not at his computer while making money, which is AFK money making like miners just on a larger scale.

Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows.
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2013-05-01 01:33:54 UTC
Ritsum wrote:

It doesn't matter if he logged out or is logged in... He is not at his computer while making money, which is AFK money making like miners just on a larger scale.


Actually it does matter :)

When you're AFK, logged in and in space you can be blown up. When you're docked up, logged out, and AFK, you can't be blown up.

Do you see that as a meaningful difference, or not?
GetSirrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2013-05-01 01:43:08 UTC
well, now that NO has completed this, turn your attention to the botting of Jita spam.

popcorn anyone?
Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-05-01 01:54:08 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Ritsum wrote:

It doesn't matter if he logged out or is logged in... He is not at his computer while making money, which is AFK money making like miners just on a larger scale.


Actually it does matter :)

When you're AFK, logged in and in space you can be blown up. When you're docked up, logged out, and AFK, you can't be blown up.

Do you see that as a meaningful difference, or not?



Yes I see a big difference. Moon Mining is a much worse form of AFKing then AFK Mining.

Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2013-05-01 02:12:25 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
In the name of the Savior of of Highsec James 315, the Code, and the New Order of Highsec, I hereby formally claim the coming changes to mining as a victory against the AFK.


But is it really a victory? Look deep inside yourself and ask, is it really a victory? Really?

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Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2013-05-01 02:26:12 UTC
Ritsum wrote:



Yes I see a big difference. Moon Mining is a much worse form of AFKing then AFK Mining.


Ok, we agree there is a difference; glad we could resolve our disagreement and agree that I was correct.