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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#21 - 2013-04-30 16:19:01 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:

So what is the problem? What do you want the w-space community to do about it? If we evict their farming groups all they need to do is reform them under different names and we will be none the wiser.


I thought nullbears in wh space was a big no no... apparently its not that big of a deal now. I'll edit the OP

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Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-04-30 16:22:01 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:

So what is the problem? What do you want the w-space community to do about it? If we evict their farming groups all they need to do is reform them under different names and we will be none the wiser.


I thought nullbears in wh space was a big no no... apparently its not that big of a deal now. I'll edit the OP



Its a big deal when they come to w-space with the intention of evicting w-space residents, as far as farming, all they have to do is make a new corp and we will not even know that they are nullbears. Not trying to be a dik about it, just trying to show the cold, harsh reality.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#23 - 2013-04-30 16:26:34 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:


I thought nullbears in wh space was a big no no... apparently its not that big of a deal now. I'll edit the OP


Depends how they go about it - AAA made the mistake of making a big noise about how they were going to "invade" wormhole space and own everyone yada yada - which didn't exactly go down too well - if a null alliance quietly seeds a few C5s for a bit of bearing no one really cares and it potentially gives more targets to shoot at even if they mostly try and avoid PVP. There are still C5/6 entities that will get bored if they keep ducking out of fights too many times as Gnaw said its only really a problem if they start dicking with active wormhole corps.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#24 - 2013-04-30 16:32:59 UTC
Rroff wrote:
if a null alliance quietly seeds a few C5s


I think they have seeded a lot more then just a few...

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Indo Nira
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-04-30 20:31:40 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Rroff wrote:
if a null alliance quietly seeds a few C5s


I think they have seeded a lot more then just a few...


then why don't you do something about it rather than post on the forums :) go get some killmails
MisterAl tt1
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-05-01 12:01:39 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Rroff wrote:
if a null alliance quietly seeds a few C5s


I think they have seeded a lot more then just a few...


Then show them, make the list of systems they inhabited, link relateds where they evict someone.

So far I'm gonna agree with Gnauf (oh, that happens): evicting pure PVEers on a large scale is useless - all they need is a small tower with one hangar for stront, actually. Should they make some noise like AAA did - there will be a reaction, sure.

What you can do is killing their capitals farming, but that's still some job to do. And at least in our alliance people are not very fond of setting login traps. And those known for login traps now have a history with solar, so I'm not sure if they will.

FYI, I was one of those actively pushing anti-A- OPs. At that time it was interesting. Trying to do the same with Solar now, pilots won't like the amount of effort to the amount of fun ratio.
JoostSkywalker
Lionheart Investments
#27 - 2013-05-01 12:48:11 UTC  |  Edited by: JoostSkywalker
How to deal with undefended Farming systems:
If you see a low or undefended farming system you prob will consider if it is worth sieging them.
In most cases the answer is no. They just have some cheap towers up and can prob put all their assets in the caps and orca's they have.
This does not mean that we can;t do anything. So how we aproach it and still not have to much efford in it?

First of all farm their system. This way you decrease the amount of isk they can make and increase the amoung of isk you have.
Second thing you can do is just stront check their tower, if it gets into RF just leave the tower. Else you have some easy kills and new ships.
If you RF a tower they either have to rep the pos up wich is allot of work, or another corporation will find the whole next and finishes the tower off.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#28 - 2013-05-01 15:44:25 UTC
Indo Nira wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Rroff wrote:
if a null alliance quietly seeds a few C5s


I think they have seeded a lot more then just a few...


then why don't you do something about it rather than post on the forums :) go get some killmails


...we are... maybe do some research before posting something like this :P

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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#29 - 2013-05-02 01:46:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
I dont know what the big deal is about. Is not like the intact hull prices are going to go down to 71 mill at buyers price each, right?

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#30 - 2013-05-02 16:53:39 UTC
JoostSkywalker wrote:
How to deal with undefended Farming systems:
~snip~


I think targeting their POSes is the wrong way altogether. A farmer POS is cheap and it's easy to evac everything of value in it, especially the ships. The best way is to gank their caps: More loss inflicted and more fun to be had doing it. Also nice killmails.

For that to do you have to log out a fleet and hit them when they feel safe with their static critted or unscanned. The good thing about cap farmers is that usually they are only 1-3 people so they don't cover their system very well.

There was this null guy who used to do anoms in his c5 every day like clockwork. It became known to several unrelated wormhole corps, and after a while he was passed around for ganks like a whore. Look at this:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=213095&m=2&y=2013&view=losses

November: 2 dreads, 1 carrier lost to site ganks
December: 1 carrier, 2 dreads lost
January: 1 dread, 1 carrier lost
February: 3 dreads and 3 carriers lost

After that it seems he finally gave up his evil farming ways Lol

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Jess Tanner
Bangworks Systems Inc.
#31 - 2013-05-03 04:01:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jess Tanner
Bei ArtJay wrote:
I think if you check carefully Solar Fleet are not your typical bears.

If they are, they are the scary eight foot tall Russian face eating mother *******.P

I have flown with and against Solar and have nothing but respect for their approach to the game. They don't do politics, they don't do drama, they don't suck ****, they just PVP. Despite loosing over 100 systems and 60 outpost in the last few months their membership has not flinched - that's loyalty.

Everybody gotta make a dollar somehow.


Pretty much what i expect from ministry (dot) (dot) (dot)

Go with Bob, keep Him always in your heart. He is your Sword, Shield, and the Knife in your back.
Gunnar Williams
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-05-03 08:12:16 UTC
Well...sleepers are drones. Maybe it's the only other place they feel at home!

Somehow got too get in on this...
Gary Bell
Therapy.
The Initiative.
#33 - 2013-05-03 11:53:03 UTC
I personally like the idea of stront checking them so someone can get them.. If they keep with the small towers.. Which alot do- Just reinforce that **** b4 you close and let someone else find and pop it..

If we all do a little we can accomplish alot!

For real though small tower takes like 10 minutes and your out..
Benjamin Hamburg
Chaos.Theory
#34 - 2013-05-04 00:50:10 UTC
I don't understand what it change for everyone, if it's Solar or any another null alliance it doesn't matter. If it make more targets it can be just good.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#35 - 2013-05-04 06:09:40 UTC
Benjamin Hamburg wrote:
I don't understand what it change for everyone, if it's Solar or any another null alliance it doesn't matter. If it make more targets it can be just good.


It doesn't make more targets tho thats the problem. They'll gank your scanners when they can but if you try to fight them they'll just pos up and log. If you do happen to catch them running sites they're farmers... they just make the isk up the next night

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Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2013-05-04 11:18:17 UTC
We came across a Goon POS in a c5 magnetar today which we reinforced.

Even got some Goon tears.

I hear those are so rare they can cure cancer

Resident forum troll and fashion consultant
Benjamin Hamburg
Chaos.Theory
#37 - 2013-05-04 15:23:39 UTC
Sith1s Spectre wrote:
We came across a Goon POS in a c5 magnetar today which we reinforced.

Even got some Goon tears.

I hear those are so rare they can cure cancer


Goon has been in WH since early 2013. However, when I quit them they were still in a normal C5. So they maybe moved out for a magnetar.

Whatever, if nullsec people decide to try wh life, I think it's good; people like me who had never thought about it before may develop a passion for it.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#38 - 2013-05-05 02:05:16 UTC
Sith1s Spectre wrote:
We came across a Goon POS in a c5 magnetar today which we reinforced.

Even got some Goon tears.

I hear those are so rare they can cure cancer


You did what???????
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck!!!!!!

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Indo Nira
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-05-05 03:03:09 UTC
Oh man. nullsec people farming wormhole space. OH NO!!! MY BLUE LOOT!!

it's not like wormhole space isn't big enough for more people; be it bears or not. run into them shoot them. if they pos up, go onto the forums and proclaim yourselves as the prophets who claim that the doom is near. cause some people made money in wormhole space.

I think you guys are overreacting when some of them only farm. If you can't catch them before they pos up, tough luck, try again next time or **** cage their pos and shoot it. You've got plenty of possibilities. Ofc when they come into wh-space and act like they're the big mofo's that are gonna bring you down, sure kill em, burn em... but i don't think that they need to be nullsecers to deserve that treatment in those special cases
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#40 - 2013-05-05 13:36:09 UTC
You think we are over reacting??????
COME AT ME, BRO!!!!

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
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