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Theron Urian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2013-04-30 15:37:20 UTC
Wow Wow Wubbzy wrote:
I give Monk credit for one thing - he is the King of Tears (though it seems he's producing more tears than his victims most of the time).

Sorry, I just don't get how abuse of weak/faulty game mechanics equals emergent gameplay.

Is the point that casual high-sec corps shouldn't exist? To abuse alts so CCP can realize they take away consequences and should thus be removed? That joining a player corp should always be like a real life employment application process? No, I think you are just self-indulgent and love forum attention, to be honest. Though you seem like a nice enough guy, for what it's worth.



Think of it this way, what James 315 is doing for the mining community, we are doing for all of the clueless high sec carebears in general. We as a comunity spread the love to evrey one, miner, mission runner, hell even inviting people in to PVP corps to reverse safari.

The lesson is be smart and do some research, or be prepared to pay the price and stop crying about it because you invited it all upon yourself.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2013-04-30 15:54:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Psychotic Monk
Wow Wow Wubbzy wrote:
I give Monk credit for one thing - he is the King of Tears (though it seems he's producing more tears than his victims most of the time).

Sorry, I just don't get how abuse of weak/faulty game mechanics equals emergent gameplay.

Is the point that casual high-sec corps shouldn't exist? To abuse alts so CCP can realize they take away consequences and should thus be removed? That joining a player corp should always be like a real life employment application process? No, I think you are just self-indulgent and love forum attention, to be honest. Though you seem like a nice enough guy, for what it's worth.


I have several motivations for what I do. The one relevant to this case is that safety is something you do, rather than something you get, and this being a competitive game, you should be playing at a competitive level. Bad corps should be crushed to make way for better corps. Darwinism in this case helps us all by making stronger organizations able to interact in more interesting and powerful ways. The notion that you should be entitled to have a corp simply because you want to is holding back members that could be going on to better things and could be making much more interesting content.

Edit: Also, thank you. Being a nice guy is in my essential nature. I'm Canadian, after all.

Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated
You've got RED on you
#63 - 2013-04-30 16:56:55 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:

Kane Rizzel wrote:
You can stick a feather duster up your butt, doesn't make you a chicken.

D3, and so many others have claimed to have our interests at heart when running for CSM and while they might do, wtf is a pirate doing running for CSM?
We play by our own rules, mold the universe to suit us, when things change, we adapt, or as for so many, just die out.

Piracy in EVE will never die, people on these forums will claim some sort of nobility "LOOK AT ME, I'M YOUR KING" but the real pirates carry on regardless, taking everything, giving nothing back.

If you want a free trip to Iceland to schmooze with the big jobs, just say so, but don't claim to be my king.


I'm sorry, I thought I made it quite clear with that declaration that my tongue was firmly in my cheek. I thought getting a crown from Burger King was a dead giveaway. It's just for a laugh.

Now, with regards to whether or not what I do is piracy, I think it's fairly absurd to think that being a -10 in lowsec constitutes piracy any more than what I do does. If piracy is preying on trade and doing unexpected violence to peoples boats, then what I do is closer to piracy simply because of the amount of targets here in highsec. What I see from lowsec -10s is much more often small gang fights for no real purpose other than to fight. While that is fun and if often very high skilled pvp, that's not piracy. Targetting non-combat ships for profit appears to be the minority work in lowsec.

:WALLOFTEXT:



Bolded the relevant parts.

I have in the past defended highsec pirates/griefers and even the United, because what they do is true to their existence and career path.

What I wrote was a lot tongue in cheek as an old timer who wants you kids to get off his lawn.

DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE.

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culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2013-04-30 17:26:33 UTC
Manny Moons wrote:
culo duro wrote:
You're not a pirate unless everyone can shoot you everywhere.

You're not a pirate in EVE unless you understand that everyone can shoot everyone everywhere.

I don't know what a pirate is or isn't, and I don't care to pigeonhole players based on some arbitrary criteria. But it has become apparent to me that the "carebear mentality" is alive and well in lowsec.


*facepalm* Does it really have to put cut out in paper for you? That when i say that you can be shot everywhere, Concord ain't coming to help you.

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 
Famine Aligher'ri
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#65 - 2013-04-30 17:27:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Famine Aligher'ri
Theron Urian wrote:

Eve is a game about space, therefor the term of piracy is "Space Piracy" the definition is still the same. Why does piracy need to be connected to a -10 alt?

Piracy has evolved in to space, why cant it evolve further to gain the trust of targets and then take them for all you can get.

You have an old school out dated and frankly pretentious view of "Piracy"

High value targets are in high sec, while low value faction warfare frigs / cruisers fill low..... smart choice is to move to the money.

We all know low sec is not in a good place, but you fix it by championing ideas and CSM candidates to help it. You don't help low sec by taking a crap on some one who is trying to champion a game play style similar to yours.

And before you say it yes the game play is similar, you blow people up and demand ransoms and so do we, same exact end goal but different execution.


Again, it doesn't have to be connected to a -10 pilot. I would consider someone who flew in 0.0 space a pirate if their whole objective was to plunder alliance members mining, trade and combat ships for loot (insert BURN EDEN example here). Not many pilots do that unfortunately because the objectives are not always the same. For example, I go into 0.0 to kill and ransom targets. Others go for the thrill of battle (PvP) or even battle for space control (planting roots). As alliances are ideally player govern factions, their patrols/blobs/whatever is the same as concord/factions protecting the peace and guarding their space.

Furthermore, I'm not saying it can't evolve to high-sec space where it can never be considered piracy. I'm just saying it's unlikely CCP will listen to those demands and evolve it towards your objectives. Yes, there are high-value targets in high-security empire, but it's unlikely you will be able to have a EVEN easier path through CCP than what you ALREADY have.

Lastly, there are plenty of high-value targets in low-sec and null-sec space. Most of you just lack the ability to take them out due to inexperience or lack of motivation. If you hide in high-sec empire to get ezmode kills or scams, then you already have it good enough compared to most of us stuck in the slums.

You shouldn't shun people like me who actually live the trade. People like me have every right to define what we do because we DO what we do on a daily basis.

Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate

Former The Pirate Syndicate Member

Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member

Former Burn Eden member

Former BioMass Cartel member
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#66 - 2013-04-30 18:18:37 UTC
Famine Aligher'ri wrote:

You shouldn't shun people like me who actually live the trade. People like me have every right to define what we do because we DO what we do on a daily basis.


I don't think anybody here is shunning you, or lowsec pirates in general. Nobody worth listening to, anyway. I pirate in both low and highsec, and successful lowsec pirates deserve a lot of respect, because they have to work a lot harder to find worthwhile targets, mainly because there are a lot less of them. It does irritate me somewhat how many people call themselves pirates because they live in lowsec and PvP. There is nothing wrong with what they do, but to me "piracy" implies that your chosen targets do not consent to being shot at, and that you are doing it for the purpose of profiting either in isk, assets, or tears. This is true whether you are in high or low, or anywhere else.

People like you do have every right to define what you do - for yourselves. Not for everybody. By your standard Monk has the same right to define what he does, because he does it every day.

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Theron Urian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-04-30 18:47:27 UTC
Famine Aligher'ri wrote:
Theron Urian wrote:

Eve is a game about space, therefor the term of piracy is "Space Piracy" the definition is still the same. Why does piracy need to be connected to a -10 alt?

Piracy has evolved in to space, why cant it evolve further to gain the trust of targets and then take them for all you can get.

You have an old school out dated and frankly pretentious view of "Piracy"

High value targets are in high sec, while low value faction warfare frigs / cruisers fill low..... smart choice is to move to the money.

We all know low sec is not in a good place, but you fix it by championing ideas and CSM candidates to help it. You don't help low sec by taking a crap on some one who is trying to champion a game play style similar to yours.

And before you say it yes the game play is similar, you blow people up and demand ransoms and so do we, same exact end goal but different execution.




You shouldn't shun people like me who actually live the trade. People like me have every right to define what we do because we DO what we do on a daily basis.


So you can freely "shun" any one you want with out repercussions (and that is what you and others have been doing in this thread), but as soon as some one turns that back around on you you are all up in arms about it?

This will be my last reply to you because you are like talking to a brick wall.
Famine Aligher'ri
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#68 - 2013-04-30 18:49:56 UTC
Theron Urian wrote:
Famine Aligher'ri wrote:
Theron Urian wrote:

Eve is a game about space, therefor the term of piracy is "Space Piracy" the definition is still the same. Why does piracy need to be connected to a -10 alt?

Piracy has evolved in to space, why cant it evolve further to gain the trust of targets and then take them for all you can get.

You have an old school out dated and frankly pretentious view of "Piracy"

High value targets are in high sec, while low value faction warfare frigs / cruisers fill low..... smart choice is to move to the money.

We all know low sec is not in a good place, but you fix it by championing ideas and CSM candidates to help it. You don't help low sec by taking a crap on some one who is trying to champion a game play style similar to yours.

And before you say it yes the game play is similar, you blow people up and demand ransoms and so do we, same exact end goal but different execution.




You shouldn't shun people like me who actually live the trade. People like me have every right to define what we do because we DO what we do on a daily basis.


So you can freely "shun" any one you want with out repercussions (and that is what you and others have been doing in this thread), but as soon as some one turns that back around on you you are all up in arms about it?

This will be my last reply to you because you are like talking to a brick wall.


Pirate, hello? Pirate

Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate

Former The Pirate Syndicate Member

Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member

Former Burn Eden member

Former BioMass Cartel member
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2013-04-30 18:53:36 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Famine Aligher'ri wrote:

You shouldn't shun people like me who actually live the trade. People like me have every right to define what we do because we DO what we do on a daily basis.


I don't think anybody here is shunning you, or lowsec pirates in general. Nobody worth listening to, anyway. I pirate in both low and highsec, and successful lowsec pirates deserve a lot of respect, because they have to work a lot harder to find worthwhile targets, mainly because there are a lot less of them. It does irritate me somewhat how many people call themselves pirates because they live in lowsec and PvP. There is nothing wrong with what they do, but to me "piracy" implies that your chosen targets do not consent to being shot at, and that you are doing it for the purpose of profiting either in isk, assets, or tears. This is true whether you are in high or low, or anywhere else.

People like you do have every right to define what you do - for yourselves. Not for everybody. By your standard Monk has the same right to define what he does, because he does it every day.


I think what our friend here is trying to say is, if you can make an alt in 10 hours ready to "pirate" in high sec, if you get caught in carebear space, is easy mode and shouldn't be considered piracy.

In high sec everything is close to risk free. What i dislike about monk calling himself "The Pirate king" is that he's only experiencing the high sec side, so how can he be the king when he's only taking part in one, and that one is the most risk averse of them all?

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 
Pilot Error Randomize
Playboy Enterprises
Dark Taboo
#70 - 2013-04-30 19:02:49 UTC
culo duro wrote:
so how can he be the king when he's only taking part in one, and that one is the most risk averse of them all?


He can't. Hes a griefing carebear is all.

-You're not a pirate. You're a Griefing Carebear.
Cenis Pheese
Doomheim
#71 - 2013-04-30 19:25:12 UTC
Pilot Error Randomize wrote:
culo duro wrote:
so how can he be the king when he's only taking part in one, and that one is the most risk averse of them all?


He can't. Hes a griefing carebear is all.


I may be an irrelevant forum alt, but your mad is awesome.
Theron Urian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-04-30 19:46:01 UTC
Piracy is defined by the act, not by risk taken, sector status committed in or any other factor, to pretend other wise and call one style of play the "True" stile is just pretentious and reeks of video game elitism and that my friends is the saddest form of elitism.

Hell most low sec pirates on here are saying high sec pirates don't fight fair due to use of neutral logistics and targeting non combatant targets.

So evrey low sec pirate fights 1V1, will ship down if need be to get "Gud Fites", never uses off grid boosting, and never attacks a non combatant target?

You are playing the part of the pot, and you are calling the kettle black.
Famine Aligher'ri
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#73 - 2013-04-30 20:14:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Famine Aligher'ri
Don't know where fair fighting got thrown into the mix. I've always thought of pirates as dirty fighters who do everything in their power to win regardless of honor. At least, that's how I fight. I don't go into a battle just to lose. I go into a battle to take everything and leave you with nothing by fire--not words within a station behind safe haven of concord or some worthless alt.

That's ideally the huge difference between what I do and what they do. That's also why there is no pirate king in this thread.

Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate

Former The Pirate Syndicate Member

Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member

Former Burn Eden member

Former BioMass Cartel member
The Palp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2013-04-30 21:23:30 UTC
So is the general argument here that our version of piracy is too meta oriented instead of in game oriented?

And by our version I refer to the style of pirating perpetuated by His Deviousness Psychotic Monk
Kaire Koschuken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2013-04-30 22:49:32 UTC
The Strawberry King endorses the Pirate King.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#76 - 2013-04-30 23:50:06 UTC
Kaire Koschuken wrote:
The Strawberry King endorses the Pirate King.


Mine Teck, is that you?

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culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-05-01 06:47:40 UTC
First of all you guys can compare your style of "piracy" as much as you want to real life pirates... but the truth is you're just abusing game mechanics, doing blue on blue, and stealing from people... You're griefers not pirates... If you can make a 10 hour alt to do stuff for you, you're not a pirate..

Also in EVE a pirate is an outlaw, which means -5 or below, if you wanna be a pirate go live like a pirate, that's not a ganking alt... If your main hides out in high sec you're not a pirate..

It's the same as you're not a merc if you don't kill anyone for isk. You're not sailing the sea.

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 
Theron Urian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-05-01 07:23:58 UTC
culo duro wrote:
First of all you guys can compare your style of "piracy" as much as you want to real life pirates... but the truth is you're just abusing game mechanics, doing blue on blue, and stealing from people... You're griefers not pirates... If you can make a 10 hour alt to do stuff for you, you're not a pirate..

Also in EVE a pirate is an outlaw, which means -5 or below, if you wanna be a pirate go live like a pirate, that's not a ganking alt... If your main hides out in high sec you're not a pirate..

It's the same as you're not a merc if you don't kill anyone for isk. You're not sailing the sea.


Please forgive us if we don't meet your idealized vision, oh lord! Can you ever forgive us sinners oh god of pretension?

Yet again you can not put stipulations on a term just to make it fit to only one situation that you want.

What both of us do is by definition ( space ) Piracy.

Oh and mercenary's also by definition are not required to KILL for money, mercenary work can cover many types of jobs that may or may not require blood to be shed, such as transport or protection of high vale targets.

You are twisting defined words to fit your reality and only your reality.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2013-05-01 08:20:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Theron Urian wrote:
culo duro wrote:
First of all you guys can compare your style of "piracy" as much as you want to real life pirates... but the truth is you're just abusing game mechanics, doing blue on blue, and stealing from people... You're griefers not pirates... If you can make a 10 hour alt to do stuff for you, you're not a pirate..

Also in EVE a pirate is an outlaw, which means -5 or below, if you wanna be a pirate go live like a pirate, that's not a ganking alt... If your main hides out in high sec you're not a pirate..

It's the same as you're not a merc if you don't kill anyone for isk. You're not sailing the sea.


Please forgive us if we don't meet your idealized vision, oh lord! Can you ever forgive us sinners oh god of pretension?

Yet again you can not put stipulations on a term just to make it fit to only one situation that you want.

What both of us do is by definition ( space ) Piracy.

Oh and mercenary's also by definition are not required to KILL for money, mercenary work can cover many types of jobs that may or may not require blood to be shed, such as transport or protection of high vale targets.

You are twisting defined words to fit your reality and only your reality.


Everybody twist the words to fit their reality. Your doing that same thing.

I have no delusion about what I do in this game. I wardec corps for ISK, wether it be paid or for ransom I am not going to sugar coat what I do.

But in EVE... pirates to me is my -5 friends. There is no other pirate in the game.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#80 - 2013-05-01 08:43:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
I have a feeling I should probably know who this dude is...