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Proposal for CSM Chairman, Secretary.

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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#21 - 2013-04-30 14:14:47 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
And frankly after your tinfoil hat comment, no your opinion doesn't count.

Frying knows he's not crazy. You're crazy for thinking he's crazy, because if he's crazy then %87.88 of the player base is crazy because Frying knows how they think and they agree with him. 88% of the players cant be crazy, that's just logic man. It's the 22% of the players that THINK they're normal man, THEY'RE the crazy ones not Frying Doom.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-04-30 14:30:25 UTC
We don't actually do the Chair till all the paperwork (NDA and comms) is settled.

If you look at the CSM8 members there are a LOT of good candidates for the positions and we have already had some nice chats and looked at each other nervously. In the end, though, it will be something that we agree on and the 'figurehead/scapegoat' will be chosen from amongst us.

Right now, we need to get to know each other so we can make informed decisions based on the person, not the platform and CERTAINLY not the corp or alliance tag attached to them.

We have grown past that

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Frying Doom
#23 - 2013-04-30 14:30:51 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
And frankly after your tinfoil hat comment, no your opinion doesn't count.

Frying knows he's not crazy. You're crazy for thinking he's crazy, because if he's crazy then %87.88 of the player base is crazy because Frying knows how they think and they agree with him. 88% of the players cant be crazy, that's just logic man. It's the 22% of the players that THINK they're normal man, THEY'RE the crazy ones not Frying Doom.

Well I am glad you can add up so well.

Must be why you think the CSM8 voting numbers were good.

Anyway I can always say that I'm crazy but not as crazy as a CSM7 member. Need proof, look at the mess you left behind.

12.12%
5 members going to Iceland picked by CCP
STV system, only 3 members actually want to own up to supporting
Massive lack of communication
The transparency of a brick
Turning the CSM into a CCP mouth piece.
and the list goes on.

Maybe you can answer which 50% of Odyssey it was that the CSM backed? or you cant comment on backing already announced features?

Over this election I saw more people on the forums asking for the removal of the CSM than ever before. Yes you worked well with CCP, and the price tag was too bloody high.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#24 - 2013-04-30 14:35:28 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
We don't actually do the Chair till all the paperwork (NDA and comms) is settled.

If you look at the CSM8 members there are a LOT of good candidates for the positions and we have already had some nice chats and looked at each other nervously. In the end, though, it will be something that we agree on and the 'figurehead/scapegoat' will be chosen from amongst us.

Right now, we need to get to know each other so we can make informed decisions based on the person, not the platform and CERTAINLY not the corp or alliance tag attached to them.

We have grown past that

m

Yes there are a lot of good people on this CSM.

On that I will not argue.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2013-04-30 15:58:15 UTC
does frying doom represent or speak for any constituency or group of people whatsoever

like does anyone want to claim him as their voice
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-04-30 16:11:37 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
My opinion is based on what I think the other 87.88% of the eligible voters would like

Whatever that is, they didn't care enough about it to spend 30 seconds voting. Why should their opinions matter when they don't participate in the process?

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-04-30 16:13:40 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Would you care to back that up with a single fact? and I would love to see you prove any thing I have said did more harm than the Null members of CSM 7.


Would you care to back that up with a single fact? and I would love to see you prove any thing Null members of CSM 7 did more harm than any thing you have said.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-04-30 16:58:56 UTC
You seriously need to evaluate your life.

The CSM is an annual popularity contest to decide who gets to be unpaid playtesters for a 500k subscription video game. There are no actual "democratic values" or "beleaguered minorities" at stake here. People don't vote because people don't care, and no amount of grand-standing on the ass-end of a forum most players don't even read is going to change that.

You are so disconnected from the reality that underpins what actually goes on with respect to the CSM that you cannot impact it in a purposeful way no matter how often and hard you hammer your keyboard.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Gelatine
EverBroke Geeks
#29 - 2013-04-30 18:41:32 UTC
First thread ever where I'm in total agreement with goons.

Since Seagull arrived on the scene, I don't think I've ever been more positive about the CSM or the future of EVE tbh.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#30 - 2013-04-30 20:44:10 UTC
Gelatine wrote:
First thread ever where I'm in total agreement with goons.

Since Seagull arrived on the scene, I don't think I've ever been more positive about the CSM or the future of EVE tbh.
The biggest problem with Frying Doom (And a few others) is how reasonable any goon seems in comparison.
Suddenly, the goons are only doing what is best for us, supporting us and wishing us well.

I can't remember exactly which argument it was that made me realise I had to vote for some 0.0 candidates whom I would normally desire to evict from their current living arrangements, but I'm pretty certain Frying Doom was a part of what convinced me.

I'm starting to suspect that he's actually a goon alt, made to make the goons look likeable, kissable and kawaii.

Hmm...
Prince Kobol
#31 - 2013-04-30 21:41:27 UTC
I would love the next chair for the CSM to interact with the playerbase and try to bring some life back to CSM.

Yes CCP need to do more but so does the CSM or next years CSM will be even worse.

Whoever is chosen for the role I really hope they consider doing Q&A sessions with player base ever few months on something like IRC and not these forums where posts are often derailed and full people just on ego trips,

Also we need more updates from everybody on the CSM on not just the token few posts just after and before CSM elections.
Frying Doom
#32 - 2013-04-30 21:57:05 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Would you care to back that up with a single fact? and I would love to see you prove any thing I have said did more harm than the Null members of CSM 7.


Would you care to back that up with a single fact? and I would love to see you prove any thing Null members of CSM 7 did more harm than any thing you have said.

Hmmm, I wonder where the Chairman and Vice-Chairman were from.Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#33 - 2013-04-30 22:38:43 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
My opinion is based on what I think the other 87.88% of the eligible voters would like

Whatever that is, they didn't care enough about it to spend 30 seconds voting. Why should their opinions matter when they don't participate in the process?

The idea is to get the more interested in the process.

So another Null Chairman will produce the same amount of interest as before, interest by Null players.

The players need to be educated and inspired to vote. They need the WHY.

But as I said the choice of chairman will show whether this was done for the good of the CSM or just for someones ego.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ali Aras
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#34 - 2013-05-01 00:18:08 UTC
It's really hard to call this CSM terrible and bad at communicating before this CSM actually...does anything. Or well, you can, but it's a meaningless accusation.

Regarding the large group of non-voting players, I don't think the corp affiliation of the chairman will change their opinion of the CSM at all-- I doubt most of them really know what it is or what it's doing. Obviously anyone who's well-plugged-in to the blogosphere, tweetfleet, or forums will get a whiff of the CSM (sometimes accompanied by a heaping pile of disdain), but the average, mostly-solo player? Probably not.

This is a place where CCP could help by promoting the CSM all year long. I'm curious what percentage of the playerbase reads dev blogs. I suspect it's higher than the percentage that reads the forums or (other) blogs. Increasing engagement with the metagame and politics is a bigger "problem" (scarequotes, because I doubt the non-participants see it that way) than just picking whose name has "chairman" next to it.

http://warp-to-sun.tumblr.com -- my blog
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-05-01 00:21:17 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Would you care to back that up with a single fact? and I would love to see you prove any thing I have said did more harm than the Null members of CSM 7.


Would you care to back that up with a single fact? and I would love to see you prove any thing Null members of CSM 7 did more harm than any thing you have said.

Hmmm, I wonder where the Chairman and Vice-Chairman were from.Lol


Which proves basically nothing. You're inventing a cause and implying an effect with absolutely zero evidence to support it.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Frying Doom
#36 - 2013-05-01 01:51:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
mynnna wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Would you care to back that up with a single fact? and I would love to see you prove any thing I have said did more harm than the Null members of CSM 7.


Would you care to back that up with a single fact? and I would love to see you prove any thing Null members of CSM 7 did more harm than any thing you have said.

Hmmm, I wonder where the Chairman and Vice-Chairman were from.Lol


Which proves basically nothing. You're inventing a cause and implying an effect with absolutely zero evidence to support it.

Strange as it seems to be exactly what you are doing.Lol

But my proof would seem to be that they were in charge of communicating with the player base or are you actually that much of a fool you think they did a good job?

You would make a wonderful chairman, rude, arrogant and willing to make insane statements, without thinking first.

A real asset for CSM8, just do us all a favour and stick to economics.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-05-01 03:26:05 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
Invented cause: "Chair and vice chair were both from nullsec, and neither seemed to communicate very well."
Effect you are claiming: "Interest in the CSM dropped and turnout was lower for the next CSM election."
Evidence that actually gets you from cause to effect: QuestionQuestionQuestion

All I am doing is asking you to provide us with the evidence that gets you from cause to effect. I am inventing nor claiming nothing.

e: Well, okay, I reversed your previous statement. Sane people recognize this as mockery, however, rather than a serious statement.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-05-01 04:01:09 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
And frankly after your tinfoil hat comment, no your opinion doesn't count.

Frying knows he's not crazy. You're crazy for thinking he's crazy, because if he's crazy then %87.88 of the player base is crazy because Frying knows how they think and they agree with him. 88% of the players cant be crazy, that's just logic man. It's the 22% of the players that THINK they're normal man, THEY'RE the crazy ones not Frying Doom.
Call me crazy, but some of this math is wrong.
Frying Doom
#39 - 2013-05-01 04:06:57 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Invented cause: "Chair and vice chair were both from nullsec, and neither seemed to communicate very well."
Effect you are claiming: "Interest in the CSM dropped and turnout was lower for the next CSM election."
Evidence that actually gets you from cause to effect: QuestionQuestionQuestion

All I am doing is asking you to provide us with the evidence that gets you from cause to effect. I am inventing nor claiming nothing.

e: Well, okay, I reversed your previous statement. Sane people recognize this as mockery, however, rather than a serious statement.

So are you claiming that the chairman and vice-chairmans lack of communication, trebors wonderful plan for CCP to chose 5 people to go to Iceland, had nothing to do with the voter turn out? The cause of the low voter turn out were the actions of CSM7.

It hardly takes a rocket scientist to figure out that if the CSM acts like CSM did, voter turnout will fall. Your inability to grasp this really does not bode well for you being chairman, as you do not seem to grasp that what CSM7 did turned away voters.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#40 - 2013-05-01 04:17:20 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
And frankly after your tinfoil hat comment, no your opinion doesn't count.

Frying knows he's not crazy. You're crazy for thinking he's crazy, because if he's crazy then %87.88 of the player base is crazy because Frying knows how they think and they agree with him. 88% of the players cant be crazy, that's just logic man. It's the 22% of the players that THINK they're normal man, THEY'RE the crazy ones not Frying Doom.
Call me crazy, but some of this math is wrong.
No, it just shows you're part of the Goonspiracy too!
Regular math? That's crazy! You can expect people to take your opinion seriously with sheep mentality math!

Use some non-corrupt math!

2+2=5!

log(10) = 3 !

Stop using this conformist Goonspiracy math, it's scaring voters off!

Cool