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Speculation on Gnosis?

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Esharan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-04-30 13:25:12 UTC
Does anyone have any idea what the approximate SELL price of the Gnosis (New gift Battlecruiser) will be;

1 month,
3 months,
6 months after launch?

Thanks.....

Tom Hagen
Twilight Empire
#2 - 2013-04-30 14:13:08 UTC
The answer is 42
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Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-04-30 15:03:59 UTC
Let me look into my crystal ball.
Esharan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-04-30 15:33:43 UTC
So there's no indication of this will be a value item....

Gotcha.


Interesting how its possible to speculate on faction cruisers but not a limited release item :(
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-04-30 15:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
At this point trying to estimate the price is not speculation, it's wild-ass-guessing.


Yes, I do consider the two of them different.

For the faction cruisers (and battlecruisers) there is information available that provides something of a baseline to estimate the price from.

For the Gnosis, there is nothing.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

Felicity Love
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-04-30 16:32:18 UTC
I'm sure some folks will buy the "Collector's Edition" EVE box set because that 5-run Gnosis BPC is whispering sweet nothings to them day and night... Blink

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )

Esharan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-04-30 17:16:50 UTC
Well right i'm wondering if i'm better off spending $150 on plex, or $150 on the collectors edition....If those ships are gonna be worth like a bill each the decision is clear..

Also, there is TONS of info available about GNOSIS, fitting is 6/6/6 omni resits for shields (4800hps) armor(5000hps) etc. etc. Weapon Damage and Warfare link bonsues....


Just google it...
Secret Squirrell
Allied Press Intergalactic
#8 - 2013-04-30 17:28:06 UTC
It has the makings of a solid battlecruiser, but as a jack of all trades, master of none, it doesn't look like it will be particulary over powered in any one role that would serve as a driver of demand. If I spend 1 bil on the hull, I will want to pimp it out to be better then anything else for my use of it, but it looks like there will still be better choices for every individual role. While the versatility is nice, it wont drive high end price. Its value will be as a collectors item, not for use.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-04-30 18:27:55 UTC
Esharan wrote:
Well right i'm wondering if i'm better off spending $150 on plex, or $150 on the collectors edition....If those ships are gonna be worth like a bill each the decision is clear..

Also, there is TONS of info available about GNOSIS, fitting is 6/6/6 omni resits for shields (4800hps) armor(5000hps) etc. etc. Weapon Damage and Warfare link bonsues....


Just google it...


But not the necessarily info.

The info we have available for faction cruisers and battlecruisers is the LP cost and the cost of the other items necessary to make it. From that, we can determine what the cost is at a given value of the LP.

What we know about the Gnosis is every active account will get one and collectors editions will get an additional five, as a result of the bpc. But we can't even use the mineral requirements of the BC as a guide, because of all those free ones that could undercut that price. And likewise, the Gnosis is rather unlike other gift ships as they're either glorified shuttles (apotheosis and echelon) or basically useless (primae) so the price structure of those ships doesn't even really offer very much of a clue. So, we're reduced to guessing. For example, I would guess that 200m or so (the approximate cost of the faction battlecruisers) will be a reasonable price for awhile, until the ships start to get rarer.

But it's just a guess. Bear

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Stonkeep
Osmanli Empire
#10 - 2013-04-30 19:11:06 UTC
Faction BCs are not going to be limited supply and they have a base cost + associated LP attached to that. Gnosis however, is a limited offer gift and its a one of a kind ship. It is going to be a mostly collectors item. Even sales of CE wlll effect the prices. If CCP makes CE available for PLEX there will be much much more Gnosis BPC on the market, if not Gnosis will be much more rarer.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#11 - 2013-04-30 20:38:08 UTC
When everyone got free genolution CA-1 and CA-2 implants they were cheap. Now they both sell for about 50 mil.

This gift ship looks cool, I can see it being a useful PVE ship as it will have a low chance of getting poped in high sec.

I assume just like every other rare useable item released, they will be really cheap at first while many players that could care less dump them for what ever they can get for them. But after a couple years when they get rare, they may be worth billions. It just depends how well they perform.

Look at the faction towers for example.The BPC's no longer drop in game. there is no way of getting a "new one" If you want one there are a limited number left in game and the price tag on them is huge. Zero new supply , but they are still significantly better than a normal tower. Thus the players who use them are willing to pay crazy prices for the few that are left. Also remember Quafe Zero the gift booster, they are worth over 6 mil a can now, if you can find any.

This ship could be the same. or if it sucks, nobody but collectors will want it. It all depends on how many of them are horded as collectors items, and depending on how good they are for combat, how many are actually used and destroyed. If they are really good some players will want to keep flying them, creating a demand that will drive the price up. If not the price they sell for in the first weeks may be the to price and it will drop as the players who want them fill their need.
Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-05-01 12:42:47 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
...it will have a low chance of getting poped in high sec...

You might want to re-think that assumption. It will be a target, and gankers will happily do their part to help reduce the supply.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#13 - 2013-05-01 13:34:09 UTC
Manny Moons wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
...it will have a low chance of getting poped in high sec...

You might want to re-think that assumption. It will be a target, and gankers will happily do their part to help reduce the supply.


I think it's a pretty good assumption. The last 266 Popes have been humans, and I don't see any reason to expect the College of Cardinals to break tradition and elect internet spaceship pixels as the 267th.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-01 19:21:59 UTC
Esharan wrote:
Does anyone have any idea what the approximate SELL price of the Gnosis

1. It will sell for a lot.
1.61803. For a sense of amusement, I will beat Dagan in a ship just like his.
2. I will buy a bunch of them.
2.71828. People will denounce my sense of humor.
3. I will lose all but one of them
3.14159. The remaining one will then become a hanger queen and sit next to my '57 Chevy.
Secret Squirrell
Allied Press Intergalactic
#15 - 2013-05-01 19:26:47 UTC
They wont get randomly suicide ganked for a long time unless they are pimped out. Even at a billion isk for the hull, the tears factored isn't really worth it when you can easily find, and gank for the same price or less, a tech 3 cruiser worth more.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-05-01 19:51:28 UTC
1. they will be cheap because everyone gets one for free
2. prices will slowly start to rise
3. ccp will include them in a promotion for new accounts and prices will crash
4. the end

.

Hazzard
Chaotic Dynamics
#17 - 2013-05-01 22:57:02 UTC
I also wonder if buying the pack is a good trade. I mean you get a 5xGenosis BPC. So are 5 Genosis fully built worth more then the price of the pack?..

The answer is who knows. Roll the dice and find out. You'll either be back here telling us how you killed it, or back here crying to me because I suggested it. Either way it adds a bit of fun and risk to the game doesn't it?
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#18 - 2013-05-01 23:31:34 UTC
dunno man, il take yours for 20M isk
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#19 - 2013-05-04 08:59:00 UTC
It is wild ass guessing, but I'd say based on previous giveaway trends that it won't be worth a hell of a lot. Demand may be high initially, but once people mess with it the value will likely plummet and people will forget it exists. And as for it not being a gank target...

When I was back in suddenly ninjas we held a contest to see who could gank the most zephyrs when they first came out. The tears were *glorious*.

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Esharan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-05-06 02:20:04 UTC
Garresh wrote:
It is wild ass guessing, but I'd say based on previous giveaway trends that it won't be worth a hell of a lot. Demand may be high initially, but once people mess with it the value will likely plummet and people will forget it exists. And as for it not being a gank target...

When I was back in suddenly ninjas we held a contest to see who could gank the most zephyrs when they first came out. The tears were *glorious*.



Meh disagree. All the limited run ships are worth more now than then.

I picked up a bunch in the hopes that once they become rarer they're value may go up. Time will tell, but makes sense to me.
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