Player Features and Ideas Discussion

+1 to your point there.

Amarr ships are far from needing a nerf at this point.

If RR is the problem, do something to RR. Counting sig seems worth exploring.

If they think self repping is viable in pvp then I'd ask them to make sure that they are smoking tobacco.

Ok... that would be fine, if they gave ANY indication that they intended to do that. But they haven't. By all indications, especially Rise's petulant troll post the last time he deigned to grace us with his presence, they aren't going to, either.

And even so, alpha problem, not solved. It's a problem now, on live. Why they think that overall reduction of EHP across the popular not-alpha fleet ships will do anything but worsen the issue, I can't imagine.

Because players totally don't take advantage of things like their direct fleet doctrine competition eating an enourmous ehp nerf...

An EHP buff would work, but it should be an across the board EHP buff for all BS, plus 8% for those ships that lose the Resist bonus. Battleships suffer from the fact that anyone from any subcap ship class can apply damage to us equally well, but we cannot reciprocate. Our tank is supposed to offset this, but the effect has always been underwhelming. Also, PVE needs to be rebalanced anyway, the lower level missions are far too easy. Also, +25 m3 drone space for the Rokh.

The correct balance would be to give a percentually greater HP buff than the lost resist buff, because of the dynamic difference between mitigation and ablation.

So if knocking say 0.5-2% off resists (varied by class and role) one might add say 2.5x the lost resist amount to AHP/SHP. A little less to shields due to the regen dynamic.

So the Abaddon might lose say 10% resist at Lvl V, but gain 25% AHP. I would suggest adding this to the base HP so that the ship become relatively better at lower SP levels. This should allow local repping to be buffed slightly to make it a thing.

The goal I think should be to produce high buffer tank ships to counter an alpha strategy, while making them less repairable so that brawling with them can win through. With a general view to producing longer PvP fights.

If resist bonuses are OP, is there any chance that you'll be addressing the fact that every single T2 Minmatar ship basically gets a free shield resist bonus thanks to having an actually useful T2 resist profile?

No, didn't think so. Obviously it's the Eagle and the Nighthawk that are the problem.

Yeah, it might make it easier to rebalance the effected ships. If they actually plan on doing it. Thus far, especially considering the kinds of blue responses we have been getting, combined with the fact that many of the ships on that list already went through a rebalancing, puts the lie to that statement.

That's why a lot of us are up in arms about it. Because a lot of those ships are already weighing in on the left side of imba (that was a fancy way of saying that they already suck), and any nerf they get will make them unflyable. And because we don't have any faith in the devs doing anything about it. Their total refusal to answer this charge, is silence damning indeed. They've already said that they are putting lasers on the back burner, again, for some nebulous future rework. Guess what? It's broken now, has been for years, and you expect people to bank on the possibility of a rewrite in an unspecified future point, once they get around to it? No reasoning being would buy that.

Which is of course, all the little things taken together is why people are upset about all this at once. Amarr have a few things going for them. Lasers, and buffer tank. All of which are either still broken (and we are told "too bad"), or getting a nerf. Oh, aside from the aesthetic visuals of our ships, which is getting a buff (new Apoc model). Unfortunately, I can't kill someone with how pimp my ship looks.

And if you think "primary is XYZ" is an actual military strategy, or even has been, then you are very, very wrong. I can't even adequately explain that with my command of English.

Wow. I had a 5980 character, elaborate, eloquent wall of text on this subject, and the forum eats it.

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Ok, I guess the Internet itself wants the TL;DR version:

X= remote reps per second

Y = dps per player per second

Remote reps are the real problem. The current state of remote reps allowing a perma tank against anything but X=Y+1 is a major reason why alpha has become such a prevalent and problematic tactic.

But!

The current state of remote reps is pretty much required to sustain anyone who wants to do Incursions, because the Incursion rats are so damned overtuned.

Now!

NPCs are treated by the game differently than players are. They don't fire real weapons or ammo at us.

Remote reps should have a diminishing return in order to remove the perma tank issue mentioned above. Therefore, introduce a hidden effect on each piece of player ammo in the game that inflicts a hidden debuff that causes diminishing return of remote reps for a period of time.

No room (or posting time, I just got off work) to elaborate and explain all this, but please discuss with an open mind about the possibility and repercussions.

Thoughts?

Sure, if DPS has a diminishing effect also. So the more you shoot at someone the less damage they take.
Remote reps require bringing more ships, and can be neutralised by 3 different Ewars, target switching, even bumping can mess with Remote reps.
If they bring more ships, why should they be penalised for bringing more ships while DPS isn't?

CCP Fozzie, CCP Rise. I hope you are watching this. I am posting AGAIN now saying that ship resistance nerfs are DUMB, don't do it! There's 100% NO NEED.

If I want to kill an archon, I will do it with dreads and / or some blops. If I want to kill something with a resistance bonus, I JUST FIRE STUFF AT IT AND IT DIES.

Please don't overlook the majority of people that think this change is silly. You listened to me about the Scorpion, so why won't you listen to me AND 1,000,000,000,000 others that don't like this change :/ (Exaggurations used within this post).
-Buhhd

Or the simple solution as people keep on suggesting is to have ships resist the incoming reps from logi's the higher their resists the less they benefit from reps.