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Advice! transition from L4 missions to w-space

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Brazys Trumparankis
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#1 - 2013-04-28 15:22:30 UTC
Hello friendly and open-hearted space dwellers! :)

As topic stated, need advice. Currently having corp with one friend, and realy boored of l4 missions.
The questions are.
Is it possible-adviced to station POS with only two of us?
maybe thats imposible? how many ppl is requered?
how much isk is requered to station and hold one?

Playing for about 4 months, wallet balance is stable, can buy mach, but that requers some pimp to shine :)
friend is about 3 months old char, and flys only droneboats.

my skills in gunnery, core, tank related skills are good.


Sorry for bad english, it's not my native(4months studying :D)


Best regards,
Brazys Trumparankis
Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-04-28 15:33:32 UTC
I'd recommend finding and joining a good corp.
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#3 - 2013-04-28 16:24:22 UTC  |  Edited by: chris elliot
I would recommend stopping by here Talocan United and have a read around there. It should have the answers to the questions you asked here and some you didn't ask.

Failing that, do as the above poster said and join an established corp.
Brazys Trumparankis
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#4 - 2013-04-28 17:51:03 UTC
Thanks :) Talocan site sure did helpd me :)
And now i know for sure that my future is in wspace, and that im far from it :D
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#5 - 2013-04-28 18:47:16 UTC
Jump into it, but do it with a corp. Best way to do it.

Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me -

Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#6 - 2013-04-29 02:23:33 UTC
Join a C1-3 corp, you'll learn alot then you can consider starting a 2 man operation which is doable though the corp is preferred.
Vjorn Angannon
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#7 - 2013-04-29 03:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Vjorn Angannon
Brazys Trumparankis wrote:
Thanks :) Talocan site sure did helpd me :)
And now i know for sure that my future is in wspace, and that im far from it :D


I moved into w-space my 7th week in game, with about 2m sp, and haven't looked back; I did it by joining a small C2 corp.

Edit:

I reread your OP.

The most fundamental skills you need for a WH corp is the ability to scan (well) whilst flying around cloaked. I.e. a cheetah, or perhaps even a cloaky Loki. Forget the Mach for now as it is a prime target for us hunters (or....ignore me at your own peril Twisted ). As for your friend, he should look at the Helios and Proteus asap.

Good luck.
IgnasS
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-04-29 09:39:01 UTC
If he is Lithuanian as his char name suggests, we will take him and teach him to be mean while in space Smile
Albercheck
Crossfire Incorporated
#9 - 2013-04-30 00:02:44 UTC
Brazys Trumparankis wrote:
Hello friendly and open-hearted space dwellers! :)

As topic stated, need advice. Currently having corp with one friend, and realy boored of l4 missions.
The questions are.
Is it possible-adviced to station POS with only two of us?
maybe thats imposible? how many ppl is requered?
how much isk is requered to station and hold one?

Playing for about 4 months, wallet balance is stable, can buy mach, but that requers some pimp to shine :)
friend is about 3 months old char, and flys only droneboats.

my skills in gunnery, core, tank related skills are good.


Sorry for bad english, it's not my native(4months studying :D)


Best regards,
Brazys Trumparankis


It's possible to run a POs with just one person, but it just means the cost of fueling the pos cannot be split in many ways. In other words, make sure you can afford the 350m-400m (probably higher now with the ice speculation) a month for a large, or 90mish for a small.

As others have said, you're probably best off joining an existing WH corp.

Good luck!
Cosmic Scanner
Overload This
#10 - 2013-04-30 05:06:15 UTC
If you decide to setup in a wormhole with your friend, you should consider joining the "whadvice" channel:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=218180

If you haven't seen Adhocracys "Wormhole Fundamentals" videos, they are worth a watch:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133045&find=unread

If working in a small group, POS gunnery skills might be worth training up. Should you decide you like wormholes, as mentioned before, a Covert Ops is the first thing you should train for - along with good scanning skills, second is probably a T3.

Expect to die, so don't fly around in a cloaky scanning T3 until you are competent. And keep your pod cheap. Smile

Cosmic Scanner / muu lufragga

Meytal
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-04-30 19:02:43 UTC
The most important aspect to living in W-space is having friends. The next most important aspect to W-space is being respectful and living by your word; shoot people, but don't be a jerk about it. Shooting them earns their respect. Smack-talking or back-stabbing can earn you an eviction.

Be prepared for losses. If you can't stomach the very real possibility that you will die, be podded back to hisec (don't forget to upgrade your clone again), and have to scan your way back into your home possibly using a very low skill scan alt, then you may want to wait a while until you can divorce yourself from that attachment to space pixels. We love pods out here; don't be alarmed if your attackers hold your pod a little longer to make sure everyone can get on the killmail.

The thing with W-space is that everything you own is vulnerable, from the moment it leaves K-space until the moment it returns. There is no safety net, no Concord, no save haven, and no docking up in a station to hide. There are bubbles, though. Bubbles are fun. Even your "home" in W-space, your POS, could explode while you watch from the sidelines helpess against a superior force. It happens to all of us though, so don't feel bad. Pick yourself up and keep on going.

If you can handle all of the above, then start looking at the other information. And prepare yourself for a wild ride!
Craggus
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-05-01 01:41:31 UTC
Sounds crazy, but one of the best defenses to eviction is to engage in PvP (before said eviction occurs). Also, having a scanning alt is just as beneficial, if not more, as a cap pilot having cyno alts.
Niko medes
Freeman Technologies
#13 - 2013-05-01 04:31:39 UTC
Have balls of steel too
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-05-01 04:56:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Sushi Nardieu
No challenge in PvE. It won't matter what corp or wormhole class you join because you will learn fast.

You'll be fine in any wormhole corp because by nature of w-space there will always be bears around.

The Guns of Knowledge 

Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2013-05-03 02:00:22 UTC
If you can easily run all lvl4 missions you probably have the basic DPS ability to clear most w-space sites up to, and including C3. You would probably have some trouble with the tougher radar / mag onesto start with, and C3 anoms would not be a push-over until you became more familiar with them.

However, being able to clear the sites is such a small part of surviving, enjoying, and prospering in w-space. W-space is a very different environment compared with empire space, and you will have many, many things to learn.

The approach I took was to setup solo initially in a C2 and then, when that got easy, move up to a C3 … and so-on up to C5. In the end I moved back to a C3 because it represented, to me, the best balance of income per effort for a ‘solo’ player (My ‘solo’ here usually involving several alts active at any one time).

I do not agree with those posters who suggest PvP effort as being either beneficial or useful for defense. That is the case for large groups holding high-end w-systems but, IMHO, the best defence in low-end w-systems is to not provide an attractive target. Make your POS ordinary in every way, don’t flaunt shiny / capital ships if you have them, help visitors when you can, don’t make yourself readily available to be killed, and maintain local-silence pretty much all the time. Careful maintenance of your wormholes - static, de novo, and K162s - is a critical element of managing your risks in w-space.
I spent some years as a hermit in w-space. I lost a number of ships there, made squillions of isk, learnt an awful lot, generally enjoyed myself, and never had a POS seriously attacked during the whole time … a few attention-seeking plinks only. I did get a few loudmouths threatening to pop my POSes, but my complete silence tended to have them losing interest pretty quickly.

W-space is not for everyone, but it can be a lot of fun and there is a lot of neat stuff to learn. Go for it, and good luck.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.