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Collectors Edition For Plex please

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Eddie Meth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-04-29 20:23:29 UTC
But why not CE for PLEX? There was EON for plex, only real explaination would be risk of PLEX spike. But didn't we have it before? Month and everything will be in order again.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-04-29 20:27:39 UTC
Eddie Meth wrote:
But why not CE for PLEX? There was EON for plex, only real explaination would be risk of PLEX spike. But didn't we have it before? Month and everything will be in order again.


It doesnt make financial sense for CCP to do this. People would sell them on ebay for a low price and therefore CCP wouldn't get money for them. Basic economics tells you this is not going to happen enless CCP are feeling really generous. But even then it stinks of RMTing and I cant see CCP supporting that.
Nex Killer
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-04-29 21:18:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Nex Killer
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Nex Killer wrote:
There is about 6 months till the CE ships how about for that 6 months you save $25 a month and when it ships you'll have the $150 for the CE. You don't have to buy it now because there isn't a limit to how many they're making like some games do. So even if you buy it 8 months down the road they'll still have them. I'm a college student I don't have the money for one atm but I'm going to try and save some here and there and maybe in 8 months I can buy one.


Are you sure that is correct? Have they confirmed when they are going to stop taking pre orders? Would be nice to have a date as like you say can spread the payments across multiple months that way.


On the Eve store website it says "THIS ITEM IS ON PRESALE AND WILL BE SHIPPED IN OCTOBER 2013" and "Presale available from: 01.10.2013" It doesn't say anything about a limit plus when they talked about it on the stream at fanfest I didn't hear anything about a limit. So you should be fine even if you order it a year down the road.


https://store.eve.com/collector-s-edition/eve-the-second-decade-collector-s-edition-116
Ember Saint
Time-Lost Proto-Drake
#24 - 2013-04-29 23:45:56 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
It doesnt make financial sense for CCP to do this. People would sell them on ebay for a low price and therefore CCP wouldn't get money for them. Basic economics tells you this is not going to happen enless CCP are feeling really generous.

Plain wrong, (nearly) every PLEX exists because someone paid CCP for it to exist. If the CE costs 12 PLEX, CCP get to despawn 12 PLEX (and thus despawn the obligation to accept it as payment for 12x 30 days of game time). Even if someone is bad enough to eBay the CE for 10$, CCP would have been still paid in full for every CE in existence.
Michael Stabb
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-04-30 00:13:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Stabb
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
. Basic economics


"Basic economics" can go frack itself when you don't know where PLEX come from.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-04-30 00:15:31 UTC
Michael Stabb wrote:
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
. Basic economics


"Basic economics" can go frack itself when you don't know when PLEX come form.


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Michael Stabb
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-04-30 00:16:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Stabb
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:


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Hobgo Togenada
Tinfoil Hat Club
#28 - 2013-04-30 00:26:54 UTC
Old Fellow wrote:
I would like to purchase the collectors edition for plex please, ccp and here are my reasons why.


1. I would like to do RMT without the banhammer risk. See, I have a surplus of ISK, I actually use ISK for toilet paper. But with CCPs strict code of RMT, I'd like to sell off alot of this ISK. So, I'd like it if CCP allows IRL merchandise to be purchased with an ingame currency. Just to I can sell it in IRL, thus circumventing any "wrongdoing and bannable" offense against me nor my accts!


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Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-04-30 00:31:57 UTC
Ember Saint wrote:
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
It doesnt make financial sense for CCP to do this. People would sell them on ebay for a low price and therefore CCP wouldn't get money for them. Basic economics tells you this is not going to happen enless CCP are feeling really generous.

Plain wrong, (nearly) every PLEX exists because someone paid CCP for it to exist. If the CE costs 12 PLEX, CCP get to despawn 12 PLEX (and thus despawn the obligation to accept it as payment for 12x 30 days of game time). Even if someone is bad enough to eBay the CE for 10$, CCP would have been still paid in full for every CE in existence.

Ah yes, sorry my incorrect calculation there. You are correct.

But still don't think they would do is because of the RMT issues.
FluffyDice
Kronos Research
#30 - 2013-04-30 02:15:44 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
But still don't think they would do is because of the RMT issues.

Even after they sold graphics cards for PLEX?
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-04-30 05:07:01 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Your not getting the CE for PLEX. It's simply not going to happen.

/end thread


It's always funny to see how things 'happen' when there is demand for them, and it involves making additional money. You are ruling out the possibility strictly because you do not want to see it happen, however, if CCP were to offer the CE, for plex, where the CE came at a cost of over 10 plex (assuming 15$ per plex, I don't know what the cheapest plex goes for these days, adjust the number of plex accordingly), CCP would stand to gain more revenue, than if they sold the CE for cash alone. CCP is running a business, and at the end of teh day, profit is king.
dark heartt
#32 - 2013-04-30 05:22:16 UTC
WTB 1 Rifter USB dock for 3 plex.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#33 - 2013-04-30 06:52:01 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Your not getting the CE for PLEX. It's simply not going to happen.

/end thread


It's always funny to see how things 'happen' when there is demand for them, and it involves making additional money. You are ruling out the possibility strictly because you do not want to see it happen, however, if CCP were to offer the CE, for plex, where the CE came at a cost of over 10 plex (assuming 15$ per plex, I don't know what the cheapest plex goes for these days, adjust the number of plex accordingly), CCP would stand to gain more revenue, than if they sold the CE for cash alone. CCP is running a business, and at the end of teh day, profit is king.


CCP's conversion ratio is kind of wildly variable.

Power of 2, $50 or 3 Plex = $16.6/plex

Character Xfer, $20 or 2 PLEX = $10/plex


Either way, the conversion (should it happen) will probably be designed so that CCP always makes more money if PLEX is used.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-04-30 08:39:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
It doesnt make financial sense for CCP to do this. People would sell them on ebay for a low price and therefore CCP wouldn't get money for them. Basic economics tells you this is not going to happen enless CCP are feeling really generous. But even then it stinks of RMTing and I cant see CCP supporting that.



Every CE that is sold on ebay has already been purchased from CCP using £££. Even when someone buys it with plex, someone had to buy that plex from CCP for it to be sold. If the plex cost of the CE was greater than the value of the RL money offer, say 12 plex: (using current plex offers for optimal price) = £180 for 12 PLEX

An extra £30 from the flat fee of £150. Not only is that an extra £30 CCP has made through someone buying the PLEX to sell on the market but the person buying the CE with plex is paying for more despite paying less £££. And CCP know that every PLEX this person loses is also a month of game time. 12 plexes = a year of game time. So in reality a CE purchased with (12) PLEX costs 360 days game time and if 30 days = £15 then that is 15 (pounds) x 12 (months) = £180

So let's say the guy who bought it using 12 PLEXES then lists the CE on ebay. Bearing in mind this product has already been purchased from CCP for £180 in the form of PLEX. They would have to sell it less than £150 to be competitive with CCP's prices and compete against others doing the same thing. OK let's say Bob sells his CE to Joe for £100.

What the individual gains

  • Joe is happy because he got the CE for £100 paying £50 less than retail
  • Bob is happy because he now has £100 for something he paid £180 for through digital currency
  • CCP is happy because they still made £180 from a single product that other people are buying for £150 at their store and know that Bob no longer has a CE or 360 days game time.


What could Bob spend that £100 he earnt on? Well if he spends it on anything EVE related he is going to be kicking himself in the backside because at max he would only be able to afford 7 months of game time. When he originally had 12 before he turned it in to a CE.

What the individual loses

  • Joe is out of £100
  • Bob is out of a CE/12 months game time/The billions of ISK he used to pay for the PLEX to be turned in to a CE
  • CCP is out of Joe's custom but doesn't care because at the end of the day they made an extra £30 off the same product


Of course if the cost of a CE via plex was greater than 12, then CCP's profit is only going to increase. This is obviously ignoring plex offers, as no doubt CCP would always have the CE at a price that always generated profit, regardless of sales.
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#35 - 2013-04-30 11:18:46 UTC
Nix Anteris wrote:
Spend ISK, get PLEX
Spend PLEX, get CE
Sell CE items, get ISK > original ISK
Repeat.

And there's a good reason NOT to have CE for PLEX


Limit sales to 1 per account and physical address and your issue becomes a non-issue, make sure the account buying the CE for plex is atleast x month(s) old and you already have a pretty easy and simple way of stopping people from mass ordering these things easily, at the end of the day even if people resell them then CCP isn't losing out at any point as they get paid for a product and the players get the item they want :)

Being unemployed its not realistic for me to buy the CE, if it were plex purchasable then that would be a different thing altogether :)
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#36 - 2013-04-30 11:20:07 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Eddie Meth wrote:
But why not CE for PLEX? There was EON for plex, only real explaination would be risk of PLEX spike. But didn't we have it before? Month and everything will be in order again.


It doesnt make financial sense for CCP to do this. People would sell them on ebay for a low price and therefore CCP wouldn't get money for them. Basic economics tells you this is not going to happen enless CCP are feeling really generous. But even then it stinks of RMTing and I cant see CCP supporting that.


CCP still get paid though, you're missing the point that plex have to be purchased, a plex thats purchased but not credited in to gametime is the same as someone buying the item for cash, CCP would lose exactly zero from there being a plex purchase option
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-04-30 12:50:47 UTC
Hah. Last few posts make it obvious people don't actually read the thread before writing their walls of text. Like I said slightt miscalculation on my part, CCP would not lose any money due to this.

I'm not sure what is worse, my miscalculation, or peoples lack of reading ability.
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-04-30 13:39:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Hessian Arcturus
You realise that CCP Spitfire has already confirmed that the Collectors Edition WILL be Limited right?

Quote of the OP

CCP Spitfire wrote:
Whitmore wrote:
CCP Spitfire wrote:

[quote=Boris Ramirez]I (and a few other players), have noticed that on the amazon page for the collectors

Yes it will -- same preorder items as on our store.

Correct preorder descriptions will be set up very shortly



Is collectors edition limited or all people can buy it in any numbers?



Very much limited.


So I really don't foresee the CE becoming available for PLEX.

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.

Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#39 - 2013-04-30 13:48:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
Considering the limited nature of the collectors edition, and just how many players have ludicrous amounts of isk, i for one am glad that it isn't available via PLEX. Plus its a way to show your support and love for the game, and nothing says that more than cold, hard cash.

And I imagine CCP wants the extra revenue from this item. Making it buyable via PLEX is basicly giving it away for free, as someone has already bought the PLEX and put it on the market. The cash from the collectors additon is seperate, so cherrrrching! For those of you that aren't understanding, the PLEX's are already there, on the market. CCP has already made their cash from them. Making the collectors edition buyable via cash only gives them more profit. It's not like people are going to be like "I'm going to buy some PLEX's to help out randoms get that collectors edition for PLEX's!"

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-04-30 13:49:30 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Hah. Last few posts make it obvious people don't actually read the thread before writing their walls of text. Like I said slightt miscalculation on my part, CCP would not lose any money due to this.

I'm not sure what is worse, my miscalculation, or peoples lack of reading ability.


I read it. I merely wrote it for others who share(d) your initial opinion.