Jita Park Speakers Corner

Curious, do you think EVE is fine as is?

So much for the democratic process then. You can only be a candidate if others approve of you? I'm not being flippant towards you, I'm just saying that with your above quote you negate the whole process altogether.

This.

Inquiring minds want to know.

CCP should change the subject line of the thread...calling it an "official protest" makes it sound like it's sanctioned by CCP and not just the fevered rantings of a loon.

I never really paid attention to the CSM before now but if The Mitani has this many people crying about him he has my vote in the next election

In order to respect CCP - I will not be quoting, copy and pasting any actual conversations with CCP.

However in short - The CSM is constantly under review, and this situation and other complaints have been noted, however this does not guarantee any future changes.

So for the moment

Mittani 1 - Eve Players 0

So we shall see what happens next I guess. I hope CCP takes this very seriously going forward as this did get much support from many players and I would personally like to thank you guys for that support.
Given there has been unrest about the current CSM by many other players, CCP must do something.
I personally not sure if i am happy playing a game where corruption and vote rigging is rife.
The current voting system is open to abuse and is being abused. Having 2000+ and 3000+ alts of YOUR OWN people voting for you guarantees your in the CSM. This is the normal world is called vote rigging. Also a CSM that feels they only represent their own voters (their alliance) and not the entire playerbase is a problem, and this is not what CSM was about.

My personal opinion is how can CCP have someone has chair, that leads an alliance wheres its very essence is about corruption, misery to others, scamming new players (when we need to keep new players), making people in.out of game miserable, and takes the game so seriously, they DDOS other sites, is for the 'greater good' is beyond me and infact very bad for eve.

Bottom line from me guys

**** DO NOT TRUST ANY CSM MEMBER IN GAME AT ALL - EVER. IN FACT THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO ABUSE THAT CSM REPRESENTATION TO GAIN TRUST IN TERMS OF SCAMMING ETC ****

Could I trust them out of game and be trusted to represent on the CSM, if they screw over people in game? Never..

You have an obsession about the CSM and The Mittani in particular.

It seems you are allowing your obsession to cloud all judgement and you are posting emotionally.

On balance, the CSM (this CSM in particular), has done far more good for Eve than ever, regardless of the fact that you despise The Mittani and his Corporation and Alliance. You are reading way too much into the fact that some Goonswarm members are on the CSM and that one of them happens to be the Head of the CSM. In fact, your pleads and cries border on - and go beyond - conspiracy theories.

Seriously, your present state of mind cannot be good for your health. Eve is coming out of a dark era of its history and it just so happens that at the same time, the very CSM you despise, is present and in company.

Sure, many players complained, many unsubbed, a statue was shot-up. The CSM reinforced the message that many players where unhappy by carrying that through to CCP. key acronym there "CSM"

Trying to do away with this or any other future CSM is beyond belief and I'm starting to think that you and your friends are actually the one's who are trying to sabotage Eve and the future of Eve.

No-one, not me, not anyone else, can actually stop you posting (barring you getting yourself banned for some reason), but I am asking you as one player to another - stop the harrassment ? Your posts are making it appear as if the entire Eve is run by corrupt Dev and players who are in with the corruption - this potentially keeps new players out of the game. Is this what you are aiming for ?

Get over The Mittani and the CSM, for your own sanities sake.

No. For the moment

Sanity 1 - You 0.

Stop thinking that your minute number of supporters equate to “Eve players”.
Lol no. 80 is not “many”. CCP does not have to do a thing, since the unrest is minimal and there are very few who think there's a problem.
For one, CCP does not have Mittens as chair. For another, simple: because he got the votes. Don't like it? Vote him out. Thirdly: because it means he's familiar with the ins and outs of the game, which make him good candidates for discussing the intricacies of the game with the devs. Fourth, see below…
Fixed. Now, where's the abuse? Why would you trust them in-game just because they're on the CSM?
Yes.

Maybe its just me, but i do not understand the problem about alt voting.

I do not consider voting for CSM in eve the same as voting for president. We are not citizens of EVE, that each of us would get only one voice. Nothing of a sort.

I see us, players, as a shareholders. You pay for your accounts, this way you invest money into CCP and the game itself. The more accounts you have, the more you pay for the game development and for CCP staff salary (indirectly, but still). So the more you invest, the more shares you have, more votes you should have.
Same principle like shareholding for business companies.

After all, Eve Online is not a country where we live. Its a product that we "consume" and pay for. And CSM is in charge of passing our wishes/concerns about development of this game. And we pay for this development. So i think its just natural that those who pay for more accounts, should get more votes.

And its not like high-sec players, smaller alliances players do not have alts. Its not a special feature of null-sec players.

Problem lies not in alts or voting from multiple accounts. Problem is that people do not vote, they have no interest in exercising their own right to vote and choose their representatives.

This is just how i see things. Not saying that my vision is the only correct and holy one.

One question :
Can trail acounts (not yet paid for chars) vote for CSM ?