EVE General Discussion

One sixth of the available space having two thirds of the production capacity, and providing it for free, without risk, without effort, and without competition. Yeah, it's pretty easy to make the argument that it's one of the biggest balance issues in the game. It's also very easy to see that it's game-mechanical limitations (i.e. CCP's fault) that cause this — not the null inhabitants.

An old thread where some moron tried to claim that moongoo was unbeatable as an income source. It turned out that a single high-end moon provides 5bn a month and requires about 500 man-hours a month to do so… incidentally, 500 man-hours of highsec ice mining provides about 5bn a month.

Should it matter if it should matter? Either the statement is true, or it is not. If it is true, then null alliances should (have) shut their tech moons down (years ago) .

I don't see how it could be true. 500 is, iirc, the max number of tech moons out there. 250k man hours for 500 tech moons = 500 hours per month per moon. So that statement would imply that fueling and stocking tech moons takes 17 hours a day, for each moon. That doesn't sound likely.

They require 24/7 security in the form of fleets of hundreds of ships.

Defending your space requires fleets of hundreds of ships, of course. Are you saying that you only defend your space because of the tech moons? If you would defend your space whether or not tech moons exist or not, then when you look at the opportunity cost of not running tech moons, you're not freeing up 250k man-hours per month after all. ('you' in this case meaning 'all tech moon holders', which means of course that perhaps GSF gives one answer and PL gives another, but the general drift is clear enough I think)

So you mean people sit there 24/7 in local waiting for something to happen?

Surely these ships wouldn't be doing other things like roams and ratting in the meantime?

Otherwise, it sounds to me like moon goo is a foolish endevor and you might as well be ice mining?

I mean if it makes the same amount of money, why aren't you on your alts in hi-sec blasting away ice roids?

Surely that would just as exciting as sitting in a hundred man fleet watching local for hours on end.

No, he means that for every moon, there's a pretty big chance that you'll have to rustle up, say, 500 pilots for an hour or so to kick out some nuisance who tried to be funny once a month.

The gameplay that goes into fielding and wielding the power necessary to take and defend moons is considered fun by some people. Weird, I know.

Your confusion stems from your thinking that, for some reason, moon goo is worthless.

Maybe because it's too vague and dispersed a target to go after, and because you can't target (much less eliminate) it in its entirety even if you wanted to due to the various mechanical protections offered.

Like others pointed out, moon goo isn't worthless.

Some moons are worth more than other though. Some are worth sending out huge fleets to take or defend.


And you don't see this with ice because ice belts in their current form are effectively limitless and the vast majority of the harvesting is done in highsec where warring over it is complicated. But is does happen (see; Gallente Ice Interdiction)

I'm talking to you as a collective front as some of you have stated that moon goo makes just as much as ice mining per hour. He didn't say it directly but persons on the same side of the argument did say that.

I'm trying to pry out of you that you must have some alterior reason to hold moons as you seem to put forth a lot of effort in keeping them for as little as money you seem to be making.

I mean if moons weren't valuable then why the effort? I'm pretty sure CCP isn't forcing you to run them.

If you are doing it because it makes you feel good, then isn't that someone of value to that ice miner's don't get.

I can't remember the last time I put together a 500 man fleet to go ice mining.