Ships & Modules

Just about everybody agrees that the damn t3 strategic cruisers are broken.

Just flat out busted.

So far there have been rumors of nerfing the Tengu (which almost everyone agrees is the most broken t3 cruiser of them all...) for quite some time.

So....has anything been made official on the t3 problem yet?

And my ridiculous suggestions to fix them are as follows......

A) Change the skill multiplier on the Subsystem skills from 1x to 5x.

Makes losing a t3 really, really hurt SP wise.

or..........and this is my favorite.......

B) T3's would lose the ability to use t2 weapons (and ammo, of course.)

*insert CCP handwave technobabble HERE for the reason why, example below*

Umm....a nanovirus. Because those Sleepers are real tricksy.

*tanks armor and shield thermal resists to 99% and awaits the incoming flames*

Now I'm talking from a pvp perspective here, I give no fucks about pve, and tbh who cares if a tengu can solo a 6/10.

The tengu has been flat our face-stomped as it is, mostly due to the heavy missile nerf, the 100mn beast we all loved, while still a bit tricky to catch now does pitiful damage (just over 400dps) and is absolutely screwed if tackled by a frig mostly due to explosive radius and explosive velocity, meaning it can be easily tanked by a most t1 frigs.

The legion has always been a bit underwhelming, decent buffer but low damage, and whoever designed the neuting sub, well they just plain deserver a kick in the balls.

The loki does its job as a heavy recon very well but again its dps is pretty poor.

The proteus, again does the heavy recon well, and does nice damage, it is a little odd that the proteus can nearly double that dps of all the other t3's, but I'm not sure if thats a reflection on the proteus itself beong OP, or the other t3's lacking.

Also I think some people forget that a decent fit t3 is still a ~1.3 bill ship, I know when I'm spending that sort of isk on a ship I want it to be pretty damn good at its job, be that tackle work or dps.


But yeah your ideas are awful, maybe tell us how you think they are broken, and how you believe they should to be fixed?

this tbh. aside from some useless subsystems and the legion's general underperformance, T3s are perfectly fine.

I would tend to agree that the T3 Cruisers are not overpowered. Afaik, outside the FC Brick and Booster roles, the only T3s that see much action are the 100mn Tengu for small gang work, where it is just hard to deal with, but not particularly damaging, and the Loki, which is used in an alpha fleet by some 0.0 Coalitions and has some really effective counters.

So overall, T3's seem to punch at a level appropriate for their cost, which in a PVP configuration, is the most expensive ships after pirate battleships, and in PvE configurations, can quickly exceed 2-3 bil.

T3s should be tweaked a little but making it more painful to get one blow up is not the direction to go to.

Nerfing PG on a few and preventing 100mn fits from working will go a long way towards helping that.

Nerff Nerff Nerff.


Whole point of this game way back when was If a ship was overpowered you need more people to kill it.

All this game is now is nerfs.


Frigs should not be able to kill battleships.

If you spent billions on a ship it used to just own everything till a fleet came in and killed youl.

I have quit playing this game because of all the nerfs.

IF anything that should of beefed up some ships not nerf them..

Speed nerf missile nerfs ship nerfs nerf nerf nerf..


Mission nerfs isk nerfs...


I'm Done. I have 3 110 million skill point toons. Worthless.


Have to say I more happy now play othere games.. It's like not working a second job just to keep the accounts going in isk.

Enjoy the NEFS

MR NASH

Show me a KB where you use (not be killed by) T3's and I MIGHT pay more attention to your post about nerfing T3's.

Some t3 subs need a buff, some need a nerf

They will get to it.

It's the only product of the best expansion in Eve history, still with many subs broken (ECM, neut, RR, drone, etc.) after so many years, and they want to nerf it into the ground and destroy wh economy. Figures.

We need buff to certain subs, all of legion, and t3 as a whole.

Price and number are the balancing factors in Eve. Why was the cane whine numerous as well as heavily supported by stats, while Mach whine sparse and with too little stats to draw conclusions? Because few ppl dare flying Machs in pvp, and those who do must fit for arty snipe camp and paranoid enough to warp off at every opportunity, or face a blob due to the "omg expensive boat KILL IT" factor. Canes, on the other hand, were cheapboats used to their fullest extent until they pop.

Is the most used t3 1 bil Legion brawlers? No, it's the 100mn tengu that couldn't kill anything but can gtfo. And why are you whinning about it? Because it killed you? No, because you didn't get to kill it. I have a better idea, why don't CCP just give you free 1 bil kms.

What's wrong with the Legion? It's got a solid tank, solid dps, solid projection, upgrade over t2 in every imaginable way. But lacking a gemmick like the 100mn tengu, it's just not worth the price tag or SP loss. Without 100mn, neither is tengu.

T2 prices should be raised to subbed t3 level, because t3 price is... you know, overpowering.

Also, you should lose a lvl of that t2 ship skill.