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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#21 - 2013-04-27 07:35:49 UTC
Barlkin wrote:
Damn I missed that, anybody have a link to that these shiny new visuals? (im searching now just felt like asking also :) )
http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/c/2208288 round 1.05.30
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-04-27 08:15:33 UTC
Not at home at the minute, but when I am, I shall get the specs to my PC and post them up... That should give you all a laugh haha...

Think I might have to wh*ore myself out to get a new PC lol

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-04-27 08:44:19 UTC
For all those who did not see the keynote...

Copy and paste this into your browser and go to 1hour and 5mins in: www.twitch.tv/ccp/c/220822

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#24 - 2013-04-27 11:01:52 UTC
xKOMODOx
#25 - 2013-04-27 19:15:43 UTC
Thank you Akita ... So, after seeing the new effects and gate jump and stuff I took a decision to buy a new PC Smile (thank you CCP) ... screw the laptop bullshit low graphic no graphic can see **** situation. So now I need you opinion on Alienware X51 (i5-3450 (3.1GHz, 6MB cache),8GB DDR3, 1GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GT640 or GT545(cheaper option).

Monitor option: ASUS 23" VS238H-P (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+23%26%2334%3B+Widescreen+LED+Monitor/3706239.p?id=1218428704344&skuId=3706239)

The whole system should cost me around $900-$950
Cathleia
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-04-27 19:33:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Cathleia
xKOMODOx wrote:
Thank you Akita ... So, after seeing the new effects and gate jump and stuff I took a decision to buy a new PC Smile (thank you CCP) ... screw the laptop bullshit low graphic no graphic can see **** situation. So now I need you opinion on Alienware X51 (i5-3450 (3.1GHz, 6MB cache),8GB DDR3, 1GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GT640 or GT545(cheaper option).

Monitor option: ASUS 23" VS238H-P (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+23%26%2334%3B+Widescreen+LED+Monitor/3706239.p?id=1218428704344&skuId=3706239)

The whole system should cost me around $900-$950


I'd look into getting a better GPU if you plan to play other (high-end) games. The screen is good but with a bit of careful searching you could get an LED IPS screen for the same or a bit higher price.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#27 - 2013-04-27 22:15:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
xKOMODOx wrote:
Thank you Akita ... [...] now I need you opinion on Alienware X51 (i5-3450 (3.1GHz, 6MB cache),8GB DDR3, 1GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GT640 or GT545(cheaper option).

The video cards are both complete WEAKSAUCE.
My nearly three years old GTX 460 is more than twice as fast than either of them.
I'd say, at a bare minimum, get a GTX 650 (still a bit slower than a GTX 460), but preferably, GTX 650 Ti (still not much faster than a GTX 460), or if you can still fit it within your budget, a GTX 660 (this one however is quite a bit faster than a GTX 460).

Also, Alienware generally costs something extra just for the brand name with relatively little to actually show for it in terms of actual performance.

For the best results given a rather clear budget, always build your own.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1559734
Seriously, read that one ASAP.

EDIT : or you can go to something like this - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-a-pc-overclocking-gaming,3440.html
Just make sure you read at least the first and last page FULLY.

Quote:
Monitor option: ASUS 23" VS238H-P (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+23%26%2334%3B+Widescreen+LED+Monitor/3706239.p?id=1218428704344&skuId=3706239)

Nearly 190$ ? That's fairly expensive (on that particular site only, though, since you can find it for as low as 160$ on other sites like, say, Amazon), and it's a TN panel (which means, going a bit off-center with your head will look really ugly real fast (example : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4PvtUdRdDw - the second one), so, you know, "bleh".

Personally, I prefer CRT monitors (virtually as good as no input lag, practically unchanged image quality at nearly any reasonable viewing angle), but they're no longer really being produced (plus, they're MASSIVE, and I mean like table-breaking massive), so the next least worst thing is an IPS panel monitor (fairly decent viewing angles, and also, depending on actual monitor, possibly negligible input lag), the only drawback being that they're the most expensive for similar size/resolution (however, the price gap has been reducing fast in later years, and is now negligible).

You could go for a ASUS VS239H-P monitor instead - that's a 23-Inch Full-HD LED IPS Monitor.
It's nearly the same as the one you listed, but with an IPS panel instead of whatever the other one has (the other which is almost surely not IPS), but with less great response times (so FPS gaming might feel a tad bit "laggy" at times BUT ONLY IF you're a hardcore FPS gamer ; most time, the display will only lag behind controls at most just one frame, but occasionally, it could get to two frames, depending on what's on-screen - loads of shades of grey cause the most trouble ; that's still quite decent for most practical purposes - your old TN panel probably already lagged behind one or two frames and you never actually noticed it).

It's only 170$ on Amazon and has a 10$ post-purchase rebate, so it actually costs you the same 160$ the other monitor would cost you on Amazon, after the rebate.
Overall, you end up spending nearly 30$ less (not sure if you qualify for free shipping) than what you linked and getting an arguably better monitor overall.

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xKOMODOx
#28 - 2013-04-29 18:13:02 UTC
Thank you all for the suggestions and I am happy to announce that Alienware x51 i7 nVidia GTX 660 is on its way ...
Quote:
All items in your order are estimated to be delivered on or before 5/13/2013
CCP + Akita T shut up and take my money PBear Again thank you all and I will post update with the system performance in 3 weeks.

P.S. "Save an extra $60 off desktop and laptop purchases $699.99 with coupon BXV1FC3ZFJ95DG". (on top of the $125 already given by Dell), so the total system was only $1064.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#29 - 2013-04-29 19:23:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
The new gate animation is supposed to be less resource intensive than the old loading bar, so you should be fine. But upgrade your computer anyway.

xKOMODOx wrote:
nVidia GTX 660.


The 660 is... well it's terrible. The 480, 570 and 580s do better in benchmark tests and cost less if you know where tog et them. If your can cough up a little more and get a 660TI or a 670, you wont regret it. Don't try to get a graphics card on the cheap, you always regret it.

Edit: At least got for a TI if you can. It makes a hell of a difference.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#30 - 2013-04-29 19:25:57 UTC
Double post....

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-04-29 19:28:38 UTC
xKOMODOx wrote:
I am having the same problem .. back in 2006 I was running EVE on my laptop no problems, now 2013 new laptop i5,6 RAM and having problems running one client on all low settings... Sad

I was there...
That shouldn't be the case.

i3210, nvidia GT630M, 4GB RAM, Winx64 ... i am running eve full screen all high
on a 1920x1080 without stuttering, as long as i don't turn on AA.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-04-29 19:36:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Arduemont wrote:
The new gate animation is supposed to be less resource intensive than the old loading bar, so you should be fine.
Wow ...
... do you really believe what you're typing ?

How can you believe that a tiny loading bar can eat more ressources than a fullscreen animation ?


Anyway ...

The client doesn't do anything when the player jumps ... except waiting.
That's what he does most. Waiting for the server.

Before, he displayed a loading bar.
Then, he'll display a fullscreen animation.

Means then he'll actually do more than before,
because now he'll display an animation, while he waits.
Still doubtfull it will kill anyones gfx card.

The dev was talking about *serverside* optimizations. There's nothing to optimize on the client,
as the client didn't really do anything, besides waiting for the server to complete it's work.

Common sense ... it's awesome !


Thank you.
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-04-29 19:50:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Hessian Arcturus
My PC specs as promised:

System Information
Time of this report: 4/29/2013, 20:44:59
Machine name: PACKARDBELL2470
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp.050928-1517)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: PACKARD BELL BV
System Model: IMEDIA MC 2470
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 1022MB RAM
Page File: 904MB used, 1551MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

Display Devices
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 7300 SE
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 7300 SE
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_01D3&SUBSYS_34251458&REV_A1
Display Memory: 512.0 MB
Current Mode: 1440 x 900 (32 bit) (75Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.8466 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail

Sound Devices
Description: Realtek HD Audio output
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0888&SUBSYS_1631F603&REV_1000
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: RtkHDAud.sys
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.5257 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes




EDIT: Couldn't be arsed to filter out all the crap that I didn't need...Far too tired to do that...

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#34 - 2013-04-29 21:09:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
[left]My PC specs as promised:
[...]Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 1022MB RAM
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 7300 SE


The only marginally good news is that your motherboard should have at least a PCI-Express slot (since I can't find any mention of the 7300 SE ever having had an AGP version), so it could at least theoretically accept a slightly better video card - the problem will be with the PSU, which not only big system builders just barely oversize, but since it's so old, it probably lost quite a bit of oomph.
Either way, the 7300 SE is so weak, that intel's newest CPU-integrated video chip parts would beat it performance-wise by roughly one order of magnitude.
Not sure how much power the 7300 SE draws, but I'm betting it's well below 30W, so the selection of video cards that might fit power-wise without a PSU swap is probably pretty slim (depends on how much the PSU can still provide).

You COULD try going for a, say, GeForce GT 620 (30 W power draw) which is available for as little as 45$ or threabouts, which WOULD be a huge improvement over what you have, but frankly, better go with more new components (the price/performance ratio goes up quite fast with just a bit of extra spending as far as video cards go).

You can't really upgrade the CPU (which would become a bottleneck for any halfway decent video card if not replaced) using the existing motherboard, since nobody sells any unused CPUs for that socket type.
You could possibly try second hand, but, meh, not sure if it's even worth it.
Tried looking for the exact motherboard model, but no luck. No idea how much RAM it can support (and 1 GB is way too little for EVE even with XP), plus, it's the older type of RAM which doesn't get made anymore (so, not really as cheap as the newer RAM). You could try looking at the slots and maybe you can get lucky with an upgrade to 2GB of RAM total (which would be borderline passable), but again, not sure if it would be worth it.

Bottom line, I'd probably get a new CPU+Mobo+RAM combo either way, not just a new video card.
You most likely might also need a new PSU. If you do, this basically leaves just the case, HDD and optical unit from the old machine (assuming they still work satisfactory).

However, the HDD is probably somewhat small, the optical drive not so great anymore from prolonged use, and there's not much of a reason to switch it all up just to save on a new case.... so, ayup, a whole new computer from scratch is probably the best idea.

...

Any idea on your budget ?
You could probably get an updated machine that's noticeably better than your current one even with under 300$, and one that completely blows it out of the water with under 500$.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#35 - 2013-04-29 21:14:17 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
How can you believe that a tiny loading bar can eat more ressources than a fullscreen animation ?

Consider this : would you believe that the old style lame brackets of yore used a truckload more CPU than these newish ones we have now ?
Also, it's not JUST a loading bar. There's also actual loading in the background.
So, I guess, while unlikely at first sight, who knows.
Legacy code could have been quite slow, so the overall "slower graphics, faster background stuff" could end up faster in the new combined version.

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Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-04-30 13:50:27 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
[left]My PC specs as promised:
[...]Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 1022MB RAM
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 7300 SE


The only marginally good news is that your motherboard should have at least a PCI-Express slot (since I can't find any mention of the 7300 SE ever having had an AGP version), so it could at least theoretically accept a slightly better video card - the problem will be with the PSU, which not only big system builders just barely oversize, but since it's so old, it probably lost quite a bit of oomph.
Either way, the 7300 SE is so weak, that intel's newest CPU-integrated video chip parts would beat it performance-wise by roughly one order of magnitude.
Not sure how much power the 7300 SE draws, but I'm betting it's well below 30W, so the selection of video cards that might fit power-wise without a PSU swap is probably pretty slim (depends on how much the PSU can still provide).

You COULD try going for a, say, GeForce GT 620 (30 W power draw) which is available for as little as 45$ or threabouts, which WOULD be a huge improvement over what you have, but frankly, better go with more new components (the price/performance ratio goes up quite fast with just a bit of extra spending as far as video cards go).

You can't really upgrade the CPU (which would become a bottleneck for any halfway decent video card if not replaced) using the existing motherboard, since nobody sells any unused CPUs for that socket type.
You could possibly try second hand, but, meh, not sure if it's even worth it.
Tried looking for the exact motherboard model, but no luck. No idea how much RAM it can support (and 1 GB is way too little for EVE even with XP), plus, it's the older type of RAM which doesn't get made anymore (so, not really as cheap as the newer RAM). You could try looking at the slots and maybe you can get lucky with an upgrade to 2GB of RAM total (which would be borderline passable), but again, not sure if it would be worth it.

Bottom line, I'd probably get a new CPU+Mobo+RAM combo either way, not just a new video card.
You most likely might also need a new PSU. If you do, this basically leaves just the case, HDD and optical unit from the old machine (assuming they still work satisfactory).

However, the HDD is probably somewhat small, the optical drive not so great anymore from prolonged use, and there's not much of a reason to switch it all up just to save on a new case.... so, ayup, a whole new computer from scratch is probably the best idea.

...

Any idea on your budget ?
You could probably get an updated machine that's noticeably better than your current one even with under 300$, and one that completely blows it out of the water with under 500$.


Cheers for filtering out all the crap, was going to do it this morning as I just plopped on my bed last night and though sod it ill just copy and paste the whole lot Big smile

And as for your explanation - Yup I think to be fair I'm just gonna have me a new computer... So long as it doesn't go over a grand I'm not too fussed. I'm not bothering to spend only 300 quid and then have to update it in two years because it's doing what this PC is doing (it sounds like grinding gears...seriously...its well and truly buggered haha). I figure I might as well get a higher end model and actually not have to worry any time soon about graphics or its ability to process a game.

It's like I said in the OP, I think this was the kick I needed to pull my finger out my backside and get a move on lmao Lol

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-04-30 14:17:16 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:

Stop playing on a toaster, problem solved.


Wasn't that just what he wanted to do?

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#38 - 2013-05-01 09:04:10 UTC
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
So long as it doesn't go over a grand I'm not too fussed. I'm not bothering to spend only 300 quid and then have to update it in two years because it's doing what this PC is doing

Since you said "quid", I'm assuming you're from the UK, and we're talking about a roughly 1000 GBP budget ?

By the way, you may want to wait a couple more months with a brand new machine, since both Intel and NVIDIA are most likely about to launch a new iteration of their products (the 700-series NVIDIA cards might start appearing this month already, and the Haswell "4th gen" CPUs are slated for a likely release on the 3rd of July).
This means that, compared to today, in a couple of months you can either get somewhat faster things at roughly the same price, or the same things at somewhat lower prices.

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Just Lilly
#39 - 2013-05-01 09:47:10 UTC
Can't play EvE using a "Matar looking" computer these days, running on steam...

It has to be brand new Caldari technology or you'll be missing out Cool
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Jake Tzestu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2013-05-01 09:59:17 UTC
About a year or so ago i needed a new pc. I decided to build my own so got the spec of an alienware pc and then built mine to the same spec....It was a hell of a lot cheaper and is amazing.

would def recommend doing it this way if you are ok with doing the build yourself.
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