EVE General Discussion

if you are doing this, think about unifying this with all the other scattered statistics. For example the epic arc journal and stuff. I am sure many explorers would like to know when they found all the different sites/escalations and stuff. So much potential to make the journal far more interesting.

edit: for example the combat log should really be in the journal not in the char sheet.

There's a balancing line which CCP needs to find between encouraging player interactions and supporting people who multibox. I totally understand that they don't want someone to be running 8+ accounts to "grab all the loots". They want social interactions. That's okay.

I multibox, and I've been using my 3-account team to run exploration sites for years. It's not excessive, and I do not use ISBoxer or any other program to do it. However, if the new loot mechanic punishes players like me by making that second or third account basically useless for the new exploration sites... ugh! I would be more likely to just close the account than try and get others to join my fleet.

I have little time to login and play EVE, and often just want to run off and do things solo (and by solo, I mean multiboxing). Please make the new mechanic -- the timer intervals which you have to grab loot -- friendly to the small scale, 2-4 account multiboxer. We're the backbone of the active exploration playerbase.

Im still missing something here. After I hack the site, what do you think I should be doing to move the items into my ship? They cannot just all move in automatically, there may not be room.
If there is no diamond symbol in space indicating a container that I can take stuff from, what is there that tells me "this is a place that has stuff"?
As for realism, on the first space station "Skylab" the astronauts routinely complained that whenever they opened a drawer all the items in it would go spewing all over the station. They called it the "Jack in the box effect".

http://www.artificial-gravity.com/Dissertation/2_1.htm

"Over-stuffed or poorly-packed containers have a jack-in-the-box effect when opened; to astronaut Ed Gibson, the Skylab film vault was a "snake pit"."

And that was inside the space station. Outside, in vacuum, the released air pressure would make the effect much stronger.

Personally I really like the look of the new mechanic, including can ejection.

However, to stop the whiners why not make it a choice, so you can either take 3 cans worth of loot or risk it with your friends burst it all into space and grab more.

every action in every game is a mini game. Moving your reticle to shoot a target in a shooter is an accuracy minigame, throwing a grenade at the proper trajectory is a minigame.

Fitting your ship properly is a minigame, hauling loot is a minigame, blah blah blah.

If you are inciting hacking should NOT have a minigame and you don't actually need skill to hack something, that's stupid. It should be the player that decides whether something gets hacked, not the level of your hacking skill.

The explosion of loot thing is odd, I hope getting a small amount of the loot is worth it if you can't get all of it.

I like the changes to exploration but what I dont like is things flying from cans and not catching them, like others have said a sense of failure will surley be on my shoulders. Bring friends you say, well thats not always doable for many reasons mine being I simply dont want to, I like being solo when exploring cause it adds to the thrill of it all. I understand this is a mmo but I dont need to socialize with you to interact with you, there is a difference.

I think the fundamental difference is the perceived degree of accuracy in the "minigame" emulating those particular actions.

When I aim a gun in a video game, it's a relatively close approximation (or virtualization) of aiming a real gun. You have a target, you have crosshairs, you place the crosshairs on the target, you "pull" the trigger, and it all maps together in a fairly intuitive fashion, despite the fact that you're controlling the process with a digital controller instead of physically aiming a real gun. As a result, it doesn't have the same feeling that other "mini games" have, where completing one task successfully triggers an event that isn't mapped in an intuitive fashion to the minigame.

It's easy to emulate firing a gun in an intuitive fashion. Hacking/lockpicking/other frequently "mini-gamed" activities, less so. Real lock-picking, for instance, is a completely tactile activity (at least for your standard pin-tumbler lock) - you feel which pin is obstructing the cylinder, and you feel the cylinder shift ever-so-slightly when you nudge that pin up to the shear line. This isn't really a process that translates well to a strictly audio/visual medium, so you end up with, e.g., Fallout/Skyrim lockpicking minigames that recreate what a person would imagine picking a lock would *look* like, but don't actually bear any resemblance (not even a digital, virtualized resemblance) to the actual activity.

"My Pokevirus beat up the Pokefirewall" and "some loot shot into space" are activities that are mechanically connected in-game, but they don't "feel" connected from the player's perspective (imo).

Like I said before, though: Still loads better than watching a module cycle for a few seconds. Hopefully it won't be too terribly long before we see some further refinements.

I've skimmed the thread but haven't read every post, so forgive me if it's already been covered, but how would 'bringing a friend' to help gather in the containers lead to more profit? If hacking a site flings 10 containers out into space, and I can only grab 5 by myself, I get half of what the full site was worth. If I bring a friend and we both grab 5, we've gathered the full worth of the site, but then I have to split the ISK with my friend, bringing me back to half of the site's total worth.

And that's best case scenario for the math, no? If hacking a site flings 6 containers, I grab 5 and my friend grabs the 6th, I've basically cost myself 2 containers worth of ISK by bringing along a buddy.

Again, apologies if it's been covered already, but I read a few replies that mention 'bringing a friend to get the most out of the site', and I feel like I'm missing something.

(Also, while I'm here: hacking interface is interesting, the gathering minigame seems like a weird Space Fruit Ninja addition totally out of place with the rest of the game, and no rats in profession sites is a head-scratcher.)

Really excited about this feature. Looks very promising, not just in its first release but potentially in further iterations. Couple questions tho...

Have you considered also having the collaboration aspect as part of the hacking/archeology activity? A mini-game that more than one person needs to play simultaneously, for there to be a chance of success? I'm thinking of an additional variation of what is potentially coming with Odyssey, not instead of. Perhaps a different type of exploration site? This way teams of hackers/archeologists could collaborate, not just in grabbing loot (nothing wrong with that), but also in a cooperative mini-game.

There may be some major technical issues in regards to this, but it seems like this would fit perfectly in EVE. Also, if it would require the cognitive effort of 2+ individuals, then perhaps it would be more difficult for it to be reduced to a multi-boxing exercise.

Keep up the good work!

No, in fleets, not just on comms.

I figured that was pretty clear, but if not.. we don't do much solo.