EVE General Discussion

nothing will get miners in to low sec, it's a complete joke.

The null-sec industrialists I saw that did seem to be making it, while I was failing to make a profit in null, did seem to be those with jump ships who had established their logistics network.

That group often seemed to include those who seemed to have had a finger in the available moon-goo pie, which meant they also had the financial werewithal to withstand temporary competition, shortages, and other inconveniences.

A thought experiment: what if hi-sec stations charged 50k ISK per hour for use? What if they charged 100k/hr? 1M/hr? Surely there is some finite slot cost point at which it becomes worth the overhead of producing in a 0.0 station with no direct slot use charge?

I think highsec industry slot cost should be increased by an order of magnitude just for the isk sink, and also for the RP reason of paying for all the concord and faction police curbing loses.

As it stands now though, nullsec just doesn't have the slots or lowend production to support any major influx of industrialist no matter how high highsec slot costs were set.

Oddyssey: Most players will be forced to buy more PLEX's as destruction rates increase and all mineral prices crash.

So OK great that existing null sec large industry corps will be saved the "huge" (irony) trouble of having to jump freight to get former high sec minerals and have no competition from high sec manufacturing, but is it worth it for most players? ... I am not sure I even understand the average players enthusiasm for that part of the game they are not even involved in? IOW null sec industry isn't for all players, you need at least four years just to get the skills, but they are the only ones benefiting from Odyssey. Remember the corps tax you, they don't pay you, and I do not think they will tax you any less even though you mine former high sec ores for them also.

I think a lot of people/accounts will leave the game because a) they either liked the slow pace of high sec at least occasionally or b) can't afford PLEXing into null-sec, remember corps tax you they don't pay you, and item prices are not that reliant on astroid ore prices. However fewer accounts does not seem to matter to CCP as they cash in more on PLEX sales than high sec accounts. So empty high-sec mining is a win for the CCP bottom line. The price however will be payed by the most players that don't *own* a null alliance and waste quadrillions on massive wars. The wastage of complicated expensive alliance policies and wars is what keeps the ISK-PLEX balance in favour of CCP sales of PLEX's. Through some hole the ISK must go to not inflate., and since there is not enough null space for this mining and industry shift. the cost will be on the average Joe player through corp taxes, *lower incomes and higher destruction rates.*

Clearly high-sec won't be *worth the time* for mining or industry, those are quite often strongly combined, after this due to less than lousy ore prices. Mining alts and mains will have to move to null or cancel the account, along them will high sec manufacturing go, there isn't enough space in null, what are new corps and alliances to do? They will have to join the existing null-sec empires or just find a new game... Everybody will get nerfed more and have to use more ISK, null-secers previously occupied with PVP will all also have to train their mining skills for the corp and mine as high sec is empty of miners permantly ... Thus the Odyssey change is made to deflate the economy of the average player, through rubbish ore prices and increased destruction rates and what they believe is a forced move into null - allthough I think they will rather see a steep drop in subsciption rates from high sec accounts not affording to use high sec industry posts anymore and high sec miners simply cancelling the accounts , - if the people wanted null sec action they would find null sec on their own ... time will tell, CCP is not likely to back down on a "update" announced.

I do wonder if CCP has thought this through, surely they must realise there will be a lot of cancelled accounts as a lot just won't make the move into null-space, there being no space or it being to expensive and complicated, and as there are no reasonable rewards for them anymore in high sec ... I do also wonder about the experience barrier of new corps having to go straight into industry and mining in null-sec, so high losses in learning parts of the game will drive player away or again force more PLEX buying, which seems to be the game change driving motivation behind all EVE Online changes now... I think your PLEX greed got the better of CCP, as almost any game that the game currency is buyable with real money does.

Bottom line the null-sec barrier is to expensive for new and old players, both in time, ISK and skills, but this ore change will not make it cheaper or require less investment in learning, and time spent on skills for most players, quite the contrary. Neither burn out PVP'ers or new manufacturing will "like" this change in the end, however you wrap it...

This ore change would make sense if there were enough null systems everybody could settle there and it was possible to do within a reasonable ISK price and reasonable time investment, but for any new players it is a massive PLEX investment, too steep a price and time investment, as well as impossible as the space is already occupied, players will leave. The change is predominantly made to sell more PLEX's, through destruction of the ore prices and increased warfare and destruction of ships and POS's in null-sec.

If CCP really wanted people to spend more time in nullsec they would have made it more availble through less skill requirements, less isk requirements and a less steep learning curve, but they are not making changes for better gameplay anymore, they are making changes for more PLEX sales. This has been obvious a while now.

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