Player Features and Ideas Discussion

here is a perfect example of what i just described in a fleet battle i was in a while back

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16508758

if your good at reading battle reports its easy to tell they got most of their sentries bombed then an armor abaddon fleet undocked and trounced them.

they where doing great until the sentries started getting bombed but thats most likely due to the prophecy armor resist bonus and PL being overall very good at what they do ... lost my poor vexor that i was flying AGAINST doctrine so didnt get reimbursed lol http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16508758 and i dont know why but i got targeted instantly in my vexor ... i think there is a sign on the back saying *hey im gallente kill me first! meh at least i got on some proph kills in my hastily made abaddon ... but really this is a underperforming doctrine compared to others and destructable fleetwide dps that is immobile is terrible and too easily counterable.

and its also easy to tell several people are listed twice or 3-4 times due to reshipping or changing ships .. see how im listed twice? you fail to see the obvious

besides that doesnt have anything to do with the point i was making .... the fact is fleets that rely on sentries are susceptible to some easy counters and cant fight while aligned .. and its destructable immobile dps.

and having greater numbers isnt what always wins a fight .. in this case bombing the sentries and undocking abby's was the smart thing to do . or we could have just told 30 people to log off to make it a fair fight ... yeah that not how it works out there.

btw my initial fleet i was in was about 20 reguler cruiser that warped in and got spanked right away of which my vexor was a part of .. and we were outnumbered before joining up with a razor fleet .. so once again .. maybe you shouldnt talk or assume things when you dont got a clue what your talking about and you were not even there.

I agree but I doubt that a certain individual will see it our way. In case you haven't notice the Devs love to nerf the Caldari ships which are complete bullshit for pvp. Well, except the old drake, tengu and rohk. Which they seem hell bent on "fixing".

As to Gallente, drones need to be fixed to make a viable weapon system. Armor tanking needs to be brought up to par with Shield. Then it would be easier to 'balance' the ships. Mechanics first ships after. How many times does CCP have to ignore logical progression?

your so far off man ... seriously stop trying to read the battle report your just making yourself look bad. why dont u stick to the topic instead of giving backward and 100% inaccurate battle report statistics about a fight u were not a part of ... i was there look .. i think i can tell what happened better then you.

we had 20 cruiser vs their 50-60 man fleet at first and of course lost ... then a razor loki fleet came in and played around a little bit to keep them busy but i dont think killed much of anything because not enough Alpha. then we combined into a abby fleet bombed their sentries undocked and killed them. the loki's were never on field at same time as the abby's mr wizard

you would actually see this if u see who killed who when and how by reading the mails but instead you just look at the overview and go uhh 150-50 the blob is the only tactic that won that? u serious? rofl

seriously you have no idea what your talking about for your own sake you should just keep quiet.

what about bombers tactics against subcap sentry fleets?

what about not being able to align with sentries and no fast warp off's and no mobile engagements?

either give me some information statistics or some validity in any of the stuff your talking about or just take yourself out of the discussion and stop trolling. your post is misinformed by a large amount probably due to your inexperience .. your assesment is all wrong .. and your avoiding my valid points about sentry fleets being weak and seem focused on trying to interpret something that is irrelevent to the points i made....

so add something useful or stop trolling the discussion board.

and trust me i have thought of alot of tactics for sentry fleets to deal with bombers ... like assigned sentries to instacanes and frigates to try to alpha them fast ..setting up defensive shield bubbles to make bombing harder .. firewall mb? the bombs will still get launched though and force the sentries to be picked up again or risk losing them .. even if you dont pop the sentries with the bombs and you are good at redeploying ect ect it still takes them off the field .. which if there is a hostile turret based gang within 50km is a bad thing and that also means you can be forced to deploy and redeploy from bombs constantly while under fire from turrets .. something turret fleets dont have to worry bout ... in the end .. just doesnt seem as good.

so much so as that trying to kite a mega in a nano pest is impossible he just does more dps even at the ranges the pest is supposed to shine all the pest has going for it in that situation is the ability to run away after realizing that it has no chance in hell to win

Pretty much this, and pretty sure I was the mega in this tested matchup :P

The problem imo has more to do with the overall range of close range Bs sized weapons and the fact that tackle range is more or less static regardless of ship type. Kiting can work extremely well in the frigate arena, and pretty damn well when it comes to cruisers and bcs. However when the closest range weapons are hitting for 500+ dps at 30km w/o a TC or a TE you're going to run into the issue you have highlighted.

Sounds great. When is this part happening, again?

Dude... Dude... There is no way the megathron is going to keep it's additional 200+ turrets dps and retain a full 125m3 drone bay. Allready the megathron is hitting close to 1600 dps overheated on duality while sporting just about the same tank as it has on live. Another 50m3 drone bay would bring it close to 1700 dps, which is simply out of control.

There is absolutely no way the megathron is going to receive it's 125m3 drone bay back.

If anything I would hit the Mega's drone bandwidth again. In practice the 2-2-1 drone combo will be rarely used. Better to reduce on paper DPS (if people have genuine concerns it is overpowered) opting for 50 (75) bay (bandwidth) a flight of mediums and flight of lights is more practical.