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Dev Blog: CSM8 Election Results

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Frying Doom
#41 - 2013-04-28 14:47:20 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Dilbert HighSeed wrote:


3. The goons plastered over high sec a poster designed to suppress the high sec vote, where they broke the EULA and impersonated CCP, using the CCP logo, and it may have worked.


Eh? Seriously? Any details on this? If this really happened then I would be surprised that no one posted about it on the forums. Or it would mean that no one in the affected high-sec areas haunts the forums, which would be equally surprising.

/pics-or-it-didn't-happen

It did happen, there is a thread about it in Jita park.

It also has the goon bee in the corner.

But vote scamming is perfectly legal.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

stoicfaux
#42 - 2013-04-28 14:51:30 UTC
Sofia Wolf wrote:
Kadl wrote:
I see you are continuing the fiction of the "peace time council." I had two friends not vote for the first time this year. It was directly related to the complicated voting method and problems with the system. They gave up after trying. I like STV, but not the method of voting presented.


I find it hard to believe anybody capable enough to handle eve interface and game play would be unable to handle this CSM vote mechanics.Ugh

Meh. IMO, the voting interface was excessively clumsy, not complicated. Personally, I had to have two windows open when voting, one for the ballot and one with the list of candidates and their positions. When I picked a candidate I liked, I had to copy the name and do a text search in the ballot window because, IIRC, one page was sorted by char name and the other by player name.

Having to drag a pick from the bottom of the ballot and relying on the page to automatically scroll up was slow (slow == tedious.)[1] And several times when I drag n' dropped a candidate, it was in the wrong place and changed my voting order.

Long story short, there's a lot of room for improving the ballot interface, especially for the younger generation of players who probably have higher expectations and less patience about UIs than us old farts do.


[1] Fortunately, there's a technical solution now that I have a 27" monitor that can swivel vertically to display a single web page as a 24" long page.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Nicen Jehr
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#43 - 2013-04-28 15:03:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicen Jehr
@CCP Dolan
Could you explain these two columns?
Quote:
voters as % of subscribers
% of subscribers
I want to know what percentage of US players cast a vote.
Nicen Jehr
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#44 - 2013-04-28 15:05:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicen Jehr
stoicfaux wrote:
IIRC, one page was sorted by char name and the other by player name
...Having to drag a pick from the bottom of the ballot and relying on the page to automatically scroll up was slow
they randomized order to avoid biasing the top names
idea: doubleclick on candidate to append to next available slot
Kadl
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2013-04-28 17:22:06 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Kadl wrote:
I see you are continuing the fiction of the "peace time council." I had two friends not vote for the first time this year. It was directly related to the complicated voting method and problems with the system. They gave up after trying. I like STV, but not the method of voting presented.


What stopped them from just picking one guy they wanted to get in and voting for him?


I will try to recall the conversation from two weeks ago in hopes that your comment was not a mere dismissal of the problems.

I think one of them had problems finding the voting site and gave up at that point. He has found the website before and voted, but this time the Eve website maze caught him. This indicates that CCP could have increased the vote with more advertising with links.

The second person found the website, and wanted to try out STV voting. He claims he filled out a ballot and that the system would not accept it. Since I was not there I cannot give a detailed analysis of the actual UI failure.

I found the system to be difficult to use. The computer I was working on had a limited amount of space for the ballot. I had to move people to the top of the selection list and then I had to move them into the ballot at the right position. The system felt odd and clunky. I am certain that part of that feeling is the STV system which I have not used before.

Simply put I do not believe that an approximately 15% turnout and 15% drop in voter participation is good news or part of a peace time council. CCP seems to stumble around on UI design, and as I recall the ballot system was put together quickly. It is funny to think of all the worry and theory crafting on the "best" and "most fair" voting system when the voter turnout is so abysmal. I like the idea of an STV system, and was glad to see one in action. Hopefully next year they will smooth out the process, do more advertising and can happily cheer at an increase in voter turn out.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#46 - 2013-04-28 18:01:23 UTC
Kadl wrote:
[quote=Malcanis]It is funny to think of all the worry and theory crafting on the "best" and "most fair" voting system when the voter turnout is so abysmal...


No argument from me on this.

As for the voting issues, that's good feedback.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Josef Djugashvilis
#47 - 2013-04-28 18:36:10 UTC
Well done to all those who got elected.

I wish you all an enjoyable and successful term in office.

This is not a signature.

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#48 - 2013-04-28 18:36:32 UTC
There is a simply way to fix the poor voter turnout: COMPULSORY SUFFERAGE
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Dalilus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-04-28 18:54:40 UTC
congratulations. well done. yay. woop, woop.

another csm filled to the brim with nullbears and toons that think like they do.

yawn.

how much will they try to nerf high sec this time? let me guess, the following expansions will also only benefit the nullbears and toons that like their playing style?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#50 - 2013-04-28 19:06:50 UTC
Dalilus wrote:
congratulations. well done. yay. woop, woop.

another csm filled to the brim with nullbears and toons that think like they do.

yawn.

how much will they try to nerf high sec this time? let me guess, the following expansions will also only benefit the nullbears and toons that like their playing style?


Did you vote?

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

SPIONKOP
Spaghetti Cannon
Sentinels Amongst Warriors
#51 - 2013-04-28 20:19:21 UTC
I do hope CSM8 also becomes known as CSM (Last) as its a rather pointless exercise.

With the majority of income CCP receive funding free to play PlayStation Dust players the future direction of Eve will be around Dust and not Eve. It will be Dust players that control the future direction / investment / content within Eve not some silly little CSM.

For those that won have a nice jolly but remember it wont make any difference.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#52 - 2013-04-28 20:58:21 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Zappity wrote:
STV is good. CCP getting out the vote? Very, very bad... Hoping for much more next year.

That was the most CCP had ever done to get people to vote, by a long shot.


Oh I don't know, Incarna was a pretty epic effort in that respect. Blink


Well, I'm certainly glad they didn't go THAT far!

Interesting role model in your sig. I take it you know what happened to his kingdom...


All i know is that he became a synonym for wisdom and he had over 1000 girlfriends.


You're thinking of his father. This guy listened to his mates instead of the older ones who actually knew what was going on and lost most of his kingdom as a result. Probably not the look you're going for.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#53 - 2013-04-28 21:03:47 UTC
I can't understand all this complaining about the voting system. Anyone who can manage to correctly fit a ship and actually use it in EVE shouldn't be overly challenged by a drag 'n drop interface. Not exactly rocket science.

Admittedly it is more difficult to successfully organise than 'click da link and vote for Mittani' so perhaps that's where the angst is coming from.

But anyone who thinks null (and low) don't need the focus this year actually needs to visit these places.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#54 - 2013-04-28 23:01:22 UTC
What? I voted from nowhere apparently.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2013-04-29 05:04:51 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
There is a simply way to fix the poor voter turnout: COMPULSORY SUFFERAGE


A great idea, if the image of GM's having to deal with more angry "I can't log in" petitions than votes gets you all excited.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

IDGAD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-04-29 05:33:43 UTC
Hahaha it's amusing that so many of you argue about a "fair" voting system when the voting rate is near rock bottom. Do you want to know WHY voting is near null? It's because the same people constantly get voted in due to it being much easier to have alliance mates vote in their master than it is to actually convince random people to vote for you. What it comes down to is the number of votes, and it is far easier to get the votes of those already loyal to you, so the same people will always win as long as they remain in power.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#57 - 2013-04-29 10:41:16 UTC
SPIONKOP wrote:
I do hope CSM8 also becomes known as CSM (Last) as its a rather pointless exercise.

With the majority of income CCP receive funding free to play PlayStation Dust players the future direction of Eve will be around Dust and not Eve. It will be Dust players that control the future direction / investment / content within Eve not some silly little CSM.

For those that won have a nice jolly but remember it wont make any difference.


You've obviously not heard about the CPM.

It's OK though, at least you have your looks to carry you though life.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#58 - 2013-04-29 10:42:45 UTC
IDGAD wrote:
Hahaha it's amusing that so many of you argue about a "fair" voting system when the voting rate is near rock bottom. Do you want to know WHY voting is near null? It's because the same people constantly get voted in due to it being much easier to have alliance mates vote in their master than it is to actually convince random people to vote for you. What it comes down to is the number of votes, and it is far easier to get the votes of those already loyal to you, so the same people will always win as long as they remain in power.


So what you're saying is that people don't vote because they didn't win when they didn't vote last time?


Maybe CCP will run the election on opposite day next year, and break this deadlock.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#59 - 2013-04-29 10:48:22 UTC
Maybe the disenfranchised 10k voters of last year were also an issue. Although hisec forumbears believe otherwise, The Mittani got a lot of votes from people not affiliated with Goons and not even living in null, including one of mine. Some people may not have bothered to vote after their vote was just thrown into the trash bin last time.

.

Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-04-29 12:18:52 UTC
Congrats to the winners.

Note to one of those that didn't win: pissing off 400 of your supporters right before voting is generally considered a bad idea.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.