These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Player Features and Ideas Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

make the titans active again

First post
Author
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-04-28 14:16:58 UTC
Never gonna happen.

Suck it up and actually play the game without an instant win button.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal

Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-04-28 14:21:23 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Millenium Darkcloud wrote:
Something must be about the titans,
Get rid of them...

Quote:
SO give a reason to the owners of that ships to use them again (and loose them in action)

The 9283rd post in forum that someone spells lose as loose. 99.99999% of English speakers can't get it right...



I don't even get what's so hard about it.

When you lose some spelling knowledge that was probably already loose in your head, it effects an atmosphere around you that affects the mood of people who do care about this spelling; they're actually over there right now with their opinions laughing. But at whom are they laughing? It is you; the one who cannot spell.


I cannot create meaningful sentences whilst trying to include all of these words. who/whom/they're/their/there/effect/affect/lose/loose.

.... . .-.. .--. / .. / .... .- ...- . / ..-. .- .-.. .-.. . -. / .- -. -.. / .. / -.-. .- -. -. --- - / --. . - / ..- .--. / ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. . / .. -.. . .- / .. ... / -. --- - / ... - --- .-.. . -. / ... - --- .--.

KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-04-28 14:29:43 UTC
Having some kind of capital bubble that can only be used to catch capital ships is interesting...

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-04-28 14:33:12 UTC
apparently titans are broken unless you can use them to counter literally every imaginable fleet composition from frigate gangs to capitals to smaller supercapital fleets

any less than that and nobody is going to use them and titans will never, ever die

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-04-28 14:33:29 UTC
This Is What Raiden Believes

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#26 - 2013-04-28 15:01:52 UTC
Moving this from General Discussion to Features and Ideas.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

Beaver Retriever
Reality Sequence
#27 - 2013-04-28 15:55:09 UTC
And this, friends, is why Raiden is utterly irrelevant - their complete lack of a) grasp on reality and b) capability to adapt.
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2013-04-28 16:35:35 UTC
Millenium Darkcloud wrote:
SO give a reason to the owners of that ships to use them again (and loose them in action) than to forgot them in an account which has expired


CCP can't make changes giving you or your alliance mates the balls to actually use them.
Luke Hammarskjold
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-04-28 16:59:01 UTC
Well, I agree with the poster that the titans atm are just pittyful. Eve should be more about quality than quantity.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2013-04-28 20:51:13 UTC
Millenium Darkcloud wrote:
Something must be about the titans, they are by far the most expensive ship in eve, you must have a high skill char inside it all the time,and what the results you take back? only bridging and ship hauling,thats it, to have an 100+ bill ship for only that reason?
and not only that, this ship can do anything if something goes wrong to protect it self against a ship 2500 times cheaper,
it sounds redicilous.
also the phrase "turrets fitted to this ship will do reduced damage to small targets" sounds hilarious if you think that titans and dreads use the same guns.

ok now all of you think thats im saying "giving back the old tracking titans" , yea that be could be great but i believe that returning back times it will not solve anything,just cause more problems.

Also they are immune to all forms of electronic warfare, but still they cant do anything inside of a bubble.

and finally titans are the absolute weapon againts capilals so must remain that.

Im proposing the follow :

1. titans and motherhip to be immune also to bubles of dictors and hictors, to catch them we must use a capital warp disruptor/capital warp disruption filed generatos (with a decent range ex.50 km) which can be fitted only in capitals ships.

2. To be immune also to sub cap energy neutralizers,so im telling about the creation also of capital energy neutralizers which can be used only from capital ships

3. Reduse their guns sig radius from 2000 -----> 1000 , so they continue to do reduse damage to smaller targets but if
someone used them in good numbers can change a fight ( ex. fleet A and fleet B ,fleet A has field 300 bil value ships and fleet B 2 tril [more numbers or a lot of titans], fleet B must have a better chance to win this fight.

What will change if that things happen :

a. if someone wants to catch and kill a titan or a motherhip his entity must field some caps,
so scaps arent anymore defenseless as they are right now against a hictor or a dictor, but now they have a small
opportunity to escape,
b.if a titan has tackled their allies must field caps to rescue it,not just a 20-30 man subcap fleet to kill the dictor/hictos and so the titan can escape.
c normal capitals have now more uses (esp. carriers)
d. to be mandatory their use for sov grinding or sov defense, so more caps and scaps on field -----> MORE dead scaps
( i dont remeber how much time have to see a titan killmail )

SO give a reason to the owners of that ships to use them again (and loose them in action) than to forgot them in an account
which has expired



I, too, think that a return to the days of 'they're logging in titans, stand the fleet down' would be a good idea. After all, it's not like supcap pilots are actually people or anything, right? Roll
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-04-28 21:31:53 UTC
Yet another person who feels balancing ships by what they cost is relevant.
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-04-28 22:19:32 UTC
How about making titans and supercaps only tackleble by hIc with script?!
tankus2
HeartVenom Inc.
#33 - 2013-04-28 22:56:51 UTC  |  Edited by: tankus2
I've heard this idea a while back:

Make Jump Bridges require titan-to-titan contact. So instead of using a cyno beacon to drop a fleet to, you'd use a second Jump Bridge titan. Think of it like two gods stretching an arm across the cosmos to each other and, with a touch of their finger, allowing hundreds or thousands of their followers to transfer through.

And yes, it would be two-way, as long as there is fuel.


Speaking of which, I'd give the Jump Bridge a new means in which to operate/fuel. Heavy Water would be used as a secondary fuel source in which to keep the Bridge active (with a very low cost), and fuel requirements to make the jump be reduced to 1/4th of current usage, though both ships consume fuel every time someone uses the bridge.

If there is not enough Heavy Water for a full 5 minute cycle on either end, then the bridge will only remain active for a duration based on the Heavy Water remaining, provided its longer than 5 seconds.

This new Bridging method ignores cynojammers, since a cynofield is not used in the process, and the two titans can transfer fuel to each-other at the cost of extra Heavy Water.

The Bridging must take place 200km away from any spaceborne structure to ensure minimal interference.


A new module (high-slot) for Titans could be a capital-class Warfare Link that only Titans can fit. This link enhances the Titan's own ship bonus, the effectiveness of any Warfare Links in the Titan's fleet, and grants a small bonus to all Fleet/Wing/Squad commander's leadership skill bonuses. I do not except, and certainly hope this won't be the case, where the first two bonuses go beyond a 10% boost, with the third bonus going beyond 5%.

This module, like a Damage Control, can only have one on a given ship, and there can only be one in a Fleet.

The module will also have a synergy bonus with the new Jump Bridge: Bonii from the titan can pass through the other side, though increases Heavy Water consumption by a percentage, somewhere between 10-25%.

This module would also require its own skill, which may increase the bonuses it gives out, but again by a very small amount.


A super-capital shield amplifier would also be a boon (at least for the shield capitals). Fitting requirements would place it outside the means of smaller shipping, though if this cannot be the case then simply tacking on a 'capital only' rule will do. Its bonus would be close to double to what the subcap equivalent would be, though a special skill required to use the module would increase effectiveness further.


A high-slot module that increases the ship maintenance array on the fitted capital. This increase is based on a percentage, so ships with a larger base hanger size get greater benefits. The module is for capitals only (so yes the Orca could fit it), and only one could fit on a ship, like the Damage Control. The percentage given shouldn't be so much that Orcas could suddenly squeeze in battleships into itself, but it should be enough to where even Titans would consider fitting it. Perhaps giving Titans a role bonus?


Final notes:
balancing the ship's HP to be better geared towards its preferred style of tanking (overall hp remains the same).
an extra bonus that decreases downtime after DD use (scales per level, max reduces it down by 25% maybe).
an extra mid/low slot, where applicable.

Where the science gets done

Saladin
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2013-04-28 23:16:56 UTC
I just think instead of buffing the ship, simply allow it to dock. Motherships and Titans today are no where near as powerful when they were initially introduced, and rightly so. But perhaps its time to re-think if its still fair that they are non-dockable ships.

Some may quote some RP reasons (its too big for a station!), but the sci-fi genre already has solutions for this. Stations could just suddenly develop Tardis technology.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-04-29 00:11:14 UTC
Saladin wrote:

Some may quote some RP reasons (its too big for a station!), but the sci-fi genre already has solutions for this. Stations could just suddenly develop Tardis technology.


They must already have it, or Jita 4-4 CNAP would have burst at the seems a long time ago.
Magnelien
Eternal Darkness.
#36 - 2013-04-29 14:57:22 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Saladin wrote:

Some may quote some RP reasons (its too big for a station!), but the sci-fi genre already has solutions for this. Stations could just suddenly develop Tardis technology.


They must already have it, or Jita 4-4 CNAP would have burst at the seems a long time ago.

hahhha just imagine the stupid amount of m3 of stuff wich is inside jita 4-4 cnap Shocked

However i REALLY like the idea of titans being sort of a mobile station that can be destroyed... with reinforcement timer etc... and maybe some sort of old school DD

But yeah supers are **** right now... very limited game-play with high requirements...
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-04-29 15:12:11 UTC
All capitals need sub-capital support. That is the meta as of now. I don't think CCP will consider changing that.

Although I will say that if a T2 siege pimp moros can out-damage a titan which seems a bit odd. However, that doesn't mean the multi-role titan VS DPS role moros is an easy case to argue for.

In short, titans are not meant to be an all-in-one ships that can blap things that are smaller than it. All-in-one ships just go against the fitting concept of EVE where you choose advantages and disadvantages in your fits.

The Guns of Knowledge 

Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-04-29 15:21:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Gypsio III
Remove supercapital ewar immunity, particularly the built-in, penalty-free WCS. And the jump bridge capability, at least in its current form - instant magical teleportation is a fundamentally bad mechanic. If you want to travel somewhere distant, it should take a proportionate amount of time, say 30 s per LY?
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities
#39 - 2013-04-29 16:16:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Elvis Preslie
Millenium Darkcloud wrote:
Something must be about the titans,

Yes they need to take all titans out that were obtained indirectly or directly from bot mining or any forms of cheating (RUN PL/TEST, run away); if they obtained it legitimately from someone who bot mined to build it, reimburse them the ORE and bpcs to make it over again, in the nearest station MINUS the ore that was bot mined; only give them ore that was obtained legitimately and reimburse them their percentage of money spent on illegitimately obtained.

  • also the phrase "turrets fitted to this ship will do reduced damage to small targets" sounds hilarious if you think that titans and dreads use the same guns.

  • How good is your aim of a BB gun at a an Ant?

  • Also they are immune to all forms of electronic warfare..

  • What? we have NO defense on pos's against titans? This is where titans should be changed; they should be able to have EW against them by POS's at least

  • and finally titans are the absolute weapon againts capilals so must remain that.

  • Yes but make them have no affect on anything else if you're not going to take away electronic warfare invulnerability. We have dreadnaughts as POS ships, black ops/recon for other sub caps

  • titans and motherhip to be immune also to bubles of dictors and hictors, to catch them we must use a capital warp disruptor/capital warp disruption filed generatos (with a decent range ex.50 km) which can be fitted only in capitals ships.

  • Don't forget heavy dictors

  • 2. To be immune also to sub cap energy neutralizers,so im telling about the creation also of capital energy neutralizers which can be used only from capital ships

  • Are you PL? let me check your id, cause it seems you'reCry crying Cryabout abaddons neutralizing titans, which are the latest effective defense against them. Just because someone takes out your 100 billion titan with a fleet of 90 and neutralizing abaddons, doesnt mean you go Cry to ccp to take that defense out. They took hours to prepare for that and it wasnt guaranteed to be effective. I'm sure a titan CAN Shoot a bs.

    I'm sure you have a titan, the reason you're making this irrational post about making titans invulnerable to ANYTHING. You're trying to deceitfully make ccp make your titan a "GOD" character, putting everyones back against the wall whenever you stroll into their null system. You want titans to be able to shoot sub caps but you dont want subcaps to be able to do anything to defend themselves. You then want caps to have no effect against you electronically.

    I thought this post was logical and well thought out until I got further down the post, picking it apart. Titans are suppose to be a good aide in taking sov and fielding ships, through bridges, thats it. Who's going to put up a 100 billion ship for pvp daily?
    Luc Chastot
    #40 - 2013-04-29 16:18:30 UTC
    Daimon Kaiera wrote:
    Doc Severide wrote:
    Millenium Darkcloud wrote:
    Something must be about the titans,
    Get rid of them...

    Quote:
    SO give a reason to the owners of that ships to use them again (and loose them in action)

    The 9283rd post in forum that someone spells lose as loose. 99.99999% of English speakers can't get it right...



    I don't even get what's so hard about it.

    When you lose some spelling knowledge that was probably already loose in your head, it effects an atmosphere around you that affects the mood of people who do care about this spelling; they're actually over there right now with their opinions laughing. But at whom are they laughing? It is you; the one who cannot spell.


    I cannot create meaningful sentences whilst trying to include all of these words. who/whom/they're/their/there/effect/affect/lose/loose.

    It could also mean that those people can spell better than you in languages you cannot or, in other words, are non-native English speakers.

    Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.