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RIP hisec mining, it was fun while it lasted.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#381 - 2013-04-28 23:03:12 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
My assertions are all over this thread.
Indeed they are, but the question was: what is it based on?
Quote:
You're gonna increase your SP as well
…which won't make any difference, and you'll still only need 2M total to beat me. So no, it's still just a month.
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#382 - 2013-04-28 23:06:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
My assertions are all over this thread.
Indeed they are, but the question was: what is it based on?
Quote:
You're gonna increase your SP as well
…which won't make any difference, and you'll still only need 2M total to beat me. So no, it's still just a month.

I'm confused.
How is increasing SP, which makes all the difference, won't make any difference?

And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#383 - 2013-04-28 23:08:43 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:

I'm confused.
How is increasing SP, which makes all the difference, won't make any difference?

And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes.


You can only put so much SP into any one ship.
Dave Stark
#384 - 2013-04-28 23:08:50 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes.


that's funny because you're the only one that has gone from the dev blog, to crying about high sec mining being dead and pvp being too hard for your small brain.

the rest of use can quite clearly see how the dev blog states great changes for mining and industry.
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#385 - 2013-04-28 23:09:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:

I'm confused.
How is increasing SP, which makes all the difference, won't make any difference?

And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes.


You can only put so much SP into any one ship.



It's years to max out any given ship.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#386 - 2013-04-28 23:10:53 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes.

Okay, cool. Problem is your logic is skipping a few key middle steps.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Dave Stark
#387 - 2013-04-28 23:10:58 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:

I'm confused.
How is increasing SP, which makes all the difference, won't make any difference?

And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes.


You can only put so much SP into any one ship.



It's years to max out any given ship.


incorrect.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#388 - 2013-04-28 23:11:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Basil Pupkin wrote:
I'm confused.
No. Just a troll.

Quote:
How is increasing SP, which makes all the difference, won't make any difference?
Because the skills I'm raising with that SP don't affect my ship in the slightest. If you can kill me with 2M SP now, you'll be able to kill me with 2M SP in a year. Or in two years. Once you start to beat me, you can keep beating me, and you can start in a month. So my SP increase makes no difference.

Quote:
And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes.
The devblogs state that mineral composition for high-end ores will change and that ice will be moved into anomalies. You're stating that “mining belts ain't gonna be worth it, so every ice field will be camped”. I want to know what this is based on, because it is not what the devblog says at all.

So, again: what is your assertion based on?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#389 - 2013-04-28 23:12:25 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Basil Pupkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:

I'm confused.
How is increasing SP, which makes all the difference, won't make any difference?

And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes.


You can only put so much SP into any one ship.



It's years to max out any given ship.


A very basic caracal flown by a month old scrub is a very dangerous ship for any frigate. Even an hour old newbee in an ibis packing a t1 warp disruptor is a threat to a dreadnought.

I have four logi ships that are effective in a fleet that take a day to train into.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#390 - 2013-04-28 23:14:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Xython
baltec1 wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Anyway, the demand for ice is extant, and not going away. Cost will rise until the playerbase responds -If the iskies are there, so will be the miners.


Which is why we get all the Ice camped. Mining belts ain't gonna be worth it, so every ice field will be camped.


Because they arn't camped now...


They're botted to hell now, which is the entire reason for this change.

.. And probably this thread, too.

EVE's dirty little secret is that the entire player built economy that CCP likes to tout is built on a Highsec bot backbone.

Just be glad the promised "move ice to nullsec" change apparently is dead on arrival -- although, I hear there's only going to be 1 ice anom per highsec sector, which will despawn, so... Effectively moved to null, heh.
Bolow Santosi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#391 - 2013-04-28 23:16:55 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:

I'm confused.
How is increasing SP, which makes all the difference, won't make any difference?

And it's based on devblog entry on odyssey mining changes.


You can only put so much SP into any one ship.



It's years to max out any given ship.


You don't need maxed out skills to fly anything in this game, not even a Titan.
Dave Stark
#392 - 2013-04-28 23:17:49 UTC
Bolow Santosi wrote:
You don't need maxed out skills to fly anything in this game, not even a Titan.


you just need to know the difference between "jump" and "bridge", right?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#393 - 2013-04-28 23:19:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:

Which would be about 3x of PvP SP I got.
So I don't have to worry about PvP for a few more years after all.

Can you fit a tank? can you shoot guns or missiles? can you fly a frigate/destroyer/cruiser? if so you already a fair chunk covered, those skill people train up so that they can tank or shoot rats, they matter in PvP, as do most of the other core skills required to fly most ships, including industrials. There's a huge crossover between PvE and PvP when it comes to skills, you just fail to realise it.


Yeah, I have all bases of becoming a victim to higher SP forum baiters covered. No, thank you.

SP isn't the defining factor in being a victim, the defining factor is you. If you answered yes to all 3 questions, you have a good basis for PvP to build upon by learning to use those skills, ships and weapons effectively.

As Baltec1 said you can only put so many SP into a ship or weapon class before you hit the ceiling, that ceiling is fixed, and hitting it doesn't make you good at Eve. Experience and more importantly attitude are what makes you a success at PvP, and frankly your attitude stinks.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#394 - 2013-04-28 23:23:34 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Bolow Santosi wrote:
Ritsum wrote:
With the changes to Null sec mining and outpost productivity, I don't see why a lot of null sec alliances are not recruiting more indie corps to help them. I would think getting a carebear corp into your null system to make sure your production gets better would be a good thing all round. Carebears get introduced into a pvp environment and Null bears get their **** done at a great rate.


Because Industrial Corps don't fight or contribute to the war effort in a meaningful way.

Are you serious? Where do you think the ships you use come from?


Confirming that there are no industrial corps in the CFC. Nope, not one.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#395 - 2013-04-28 23:30:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
David Cedarbridge wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Bolow Santosi wrote:
Ritsum wrote:
With the changes to Null sec mining and outpost productivity, I don't see why a lot of null sec alliances are not recruiting more indie corps to help them. I would think getting a carebear corp into your null system to make sure your production gets better would be a good thing all round. Carebears get introduced into a pvp environment and Null bears get their **** done at a great rate.


Because Industrial Corps don't fight or contribute to the war effort in a meaningful way.

Are you serious? Where do you think the ships you use come from?


Confirming that there are no industrial corps in the CFC. Nope, not one.

You forgot to confirm that all caps are built in highsec from highsec minerals because nullsec and lowsec have no industry chains whatsoever.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#396 - 2013-04-28 23:33:06 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Bolow Santosi wrote:
Ritsum wrote:
With the changes to Null sec mining and outpost productivity, I don't see why a lot of null sec alliances are not recruiting more indie corps to help them. I would think getting a carebear corp into your null system to make sure your production gets better would be a good thing all round. Carebears get introduced into a pvp environment and Null bears get their **** done at a great rate.


Because Industrial Corps don't fight or contribute to the war effort in a meaningful way.

Are you serious? Where do you think the ships you use come from?


Confirming that there are no industrial corps in the CFC. Nope, not one.

You forgot to confirm that all caps are built in highsec from highsec minerals because nullsec and lowsec have no industry chains whatsoever.


There are no systems with an industry level over 1 because nobody ever mines in nullsec.
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#397 - 2013-04-28 23:35:16 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Bolow Santosi wrote:
You don't need maxed out skills to fly anything in this game, not even a Titan.


you just need to know the difference between "jump" and "bridge", right?


To his credit, DBRB did "fly", he just didn't do it "well"
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#398 - 2013-04-28 23:35:17 UTC
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