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Awful at PvP

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Jav Ozran
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-11-01 17:54:49 UTC
I've recently been trying out PvP, and i am absolutely rubbish at it.
I have 1 kill and 6 deaths- a joke on the billboards, making me think about starting a whole new character to get rid of the embarrassment.
I've read all the tips, guides and help forums the internet has to offer but i'm either gate camped with no time to run, scanned down in my safe spot, and when after many hours of roaming i find someone i might actually be able to kill, they pop me in less than a minute.

I suck and want to start again for new kill board stats, what do you reccomend?
Jav Ozran
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-11-01 17:56:47 UTC
I also feel like i'm letting my corp down..... which sucks.
This is an alt character to the one who i'm on about btw.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#3 - 2011-11-01 18:15:52 UTC
Don't give up. 1:6 isn't actually that bad, finding good fights that you can win in PvP is not easy at all. Just keep with it and give it your best shot, no one can ask anything more of you.

What kind of PvP are you trying to do?
How well skilled are you (RL skills and SP)?
And are you making sure to fly ships you can lose without it really effecting your cash flow too badly?

The biggest rule of PvP is that you can't be afraid to blow up. Every one dies from time to time, but that's still a learning experience, the only way to lose at PvP in Eve is if it upsets you or makes you give up.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-11-01 18:27:36 UTC
Just suck it up and keep on going with the character you have and the loses you have. Endure the teasing you get from corp mates as you will likely hear the same teasing from time to time when you get killed no matter what your PvP record is. The thing is that before you get a feel for things in PvP you will suck at it, make horrible mistakes and you will die a lot. You will propably continue dying a lot even after you learn to do it, since PvP is often a team effort and outside easy ganks some ships are always lost on both sides. You can read all you want about PvP and it does help, but it's like learning to swim by reading a guide about swimming. It will help and give you pointers, but the only way to really get it is to jump in the water and try to swim.

The only thing I would recommend is, that during this learning stage don't use expensive ships and fits and try not to repeat the same mistakes over and over. Expensive fits are great once you know the performance you buy is just the thing you need to do get that extra edge that you need. If you don't have that experience though, you will just waste the potential and make the losses more painful than they need to be. When you do die, try to understand why it happened and think about ways to improve the situation and your performance. Often you can spot at least some areas of improvement, but at times someone had to be the guy to take a hit for the team or the opposition is so far beyond your corps abilities and no amount of piloting or expensive fits would have made a meaningful difference.

Anyway good luck with it and stay the course.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-01 19:00:12 UTC
Jav Ozran wrote:
I also feel like i'm letting my corp down..... which sucks.
This is an alt character to the one who i'm on about btw.


If you feel this way your corp is letting you down. There are tons of specifics you need to get into when it comes to getting questions answered. A lot of time for explanations from your mates and even more time ironing out the execution (more difficult than it sounds).

If this is getting to you sincerely ask for help from your corp, if they can't help it is probably time to find someone who will.

I has all the eve inactivity

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#6 - 2011-11-01 19:12:53 UTC
Join a corp that is about shooting people and has good killboard stats. Also make sure the corp you join is focused on PVP in the type of space you intend to live in highsec, lowsec, nullsec whatever.

When you've found a corp to be in that is actually active and helpful make sure you do everything you can on your end to make sure you get everything you can out of it, use voice comms, attend fleet operations, get people to approve your fits before you fly them, train appropriately and make sure to ask questions.

Sit in the recruitment channel until you find an appropriate corp, and if you don't see one ask if there are any PVP corps accepting very new players, someone will pick you up eventually.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2011-11-01 20:03:20 UTC
Jav Ozran wrote:
I've recently been trying out PvP, and i am absolutely rubbish at it.
I have 1 kill and 6 deaths- a joke on the billboards, making me think about starting a whole new character to get rid of the embarrassment.
I've read all the tips, guides and help forums the internet has to offer but i'm either gate camped with no time to run, scanned down in my safe spot, and when after many hours of roaming i find someone i might actually be able to kill, they pop me in less than a minute.

I suck and want to start again for new kill board stats, what do you reccomend?



Don't worry too much mate. I'm pretty awful at PvP too, but I've managed to make my way in the game reasonably well.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#8 - 2011-11-01 20:37:25 UTC
Jav Ozran wrote:
I also feel like i'm letting my corp down..... which sucks.
This is an alt character to the one who i'm on about btw.

Yes killboards are a disease! X
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#9 - 2011-11-01 21:45:56 UTC
Forget about killboards and have fun.

I really do not understand people focused on killboards. why does it matter?

it is your game, why do you want to fulfill other people's goals? just try to make Eve like you want it to be not other way around.

and if your corp starts to ***** about your killmails ****'em and join new one or be yourself in npc corp.

during last two weeks I lost 8 or sth like that fight and I really do not give a **** about it, I had fun and I met nice people. statistics are good for corp rats and I do not intend to feed them in Eve, it is enough I have to live with then in real life.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#10 - 2011-11-01 23:59:05 UTC
Killboards are legitimately important for some types of corporation.

For Mercenary corporations people will often judge whether or not you are worth hiring based on your killboard. For general purpose highsec corproations where most people spend their time missioning or mining your killboard will be what determines whether or not you are an attractive target for wardecs.

Feel free to completely ignore your killboard, but if you die all the time depending on what your corproation does there might be negative consequences for having a bad combat history.
Beki 250
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-11-02 02:38:39 UTC
I think my record is 4 assists and 42 lost ships/pods.

It's depressing, but I think I can recover.

Consider Tavion Aksmis. Last time I looked she had more than 100 losses, but also more than 6000 kills. She told me in local once that "It's just a job."
Xi 'xar
Rift Watch
#12 - 2011-11-02 08:55:18 UTC
If you are so worried about killboard stats that you are considering biomassing, then you shouldn't be pvping. You will die a lot. Get over it. If your corp complains, I would recommend shooting members of your corp and then laughing at their killboard stats.

Killboards are great for information gathering purposes but are useless for everything else.

http://herdingwolves.wordpress.com/

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#13 - 2011-11-02 08:59:59 UTC
Xi 'xar wrote:
If you are so worried about killboard stats that you are considering biomassing, then you shouldn't be pvping. You will die a lot. Get over it. If your corp complains, I would recommend shooting members of your corp and then laughing at their killboard stats.

Killboards are great for information gathering purposes but are useless for everything else.


If everyone would think like that I wouldn't be against it.

The sad truth though is that a lot of people, corps, alliances judge potential new members on their kill/loss ratio and even kick you when you lose too many ships if you want to do some roams.

As it is now, EVE could do better without KBs.
Chiana Moro
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#14 - 2011-11-02 09:28:21 UTC
Jav Ozran wrote:
I have 1 kill and 6 deaths- a joke on the billboards, making me think about starting a whole new character to get rid of the embarrassment.


Everyone feels like that when starting out.
First rule in PvP - even before "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" is

Everyone dies.

Shoot a caracal on gate in low sec (*poof*), jump into a gate camp and panic (*poof*), get hot dropped in null (*poof*), **** up in 1v1 in low sec (*poof*), get primaried in fleet battles, forget you are in high sec ...

Every pvp-er dies. Usually a lot. Yes, experienced players have a long kill list, but also a long loss list.
It's nothing to be ashamed of, (unless you completely failfit everything) it's the way of life as a pvper.
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#15 - 2011-11-02 09:49:15 UTC
I died 40 times before I managed to get my first PVP kill Lol

Yet today my killboard is quite respectable. So don't worry.

Best way to get better is to team up and fly in a gang.
Aida Nu
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-11-02 10:20:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Aida Nu
When new to PVP you can expect to die alot. Thats how you learn. Each death teaches you something.
If you learn from your mistakes and start applying your new knowledge you will see that you will start killing more often than you are dying.

If your corp is not helping you out and only laugh at you when you get killed ,find another corp.

Also when you start out as others have said go with frigs. If you are amarr for example buy 10 punishers, fit them cheaply and go loose them all. It will teach you alot more then reading guides all day long. The guides only teaches theory. You need to learn how to apply that in the game.

Learn what you can engage with your current ship and skills, learn to ninja away from camps and how to not get scanned down in your safespot (if you see combat scanner probes on dscan when on a safespot gtfo) and you will do alright :)
darmwand
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#17 - 2011-11-02 14:49:13 UTC
Quote:
If your corp is not helping you out and only laugh at you when you get killed ,find another corp.


^^ this, very much. The same thing goes IMHO if killboard stats are more important to your corp than enjoying the game.

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."

Stan Smith
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-11-02 19:22:06 UTC
the thing i tell newer players who wanna get into pvp is, "you're going to blow up... a lot... and more... and again... don't get discouraged" and if you start low with frigates, it won't be as expensive, and you can learn lots of valuable skills for pvp. even with a frigate, you can still be of great use to other players. your opponent cant run if he's tackled

☻/ /▌ / \ This is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums.

Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#19 - 2011-11-02 20:15:20 UTC
Couple of suggestions (from someone who's *okay* at pvp at best):

As many people have already said, you will lose ships. You will lose many, Many, MANY ships. You will lose so many ships that you will believe you are horrible at pvp and may even think about giving up the game.

The key, however, is to determine whether you are losing ships the same way each time or not. Whether you could have done something to avoid it, and whether you can put that knowledge to work for you in the future. Message the pilots that blew you up, and see if they have any pointers. Sometimes, there's just nothing you could have done. Other times, you'll find out that, had you done something different, the loss would have been a kill, instead.

Next, killboards don't mean anything to most people. I can have the absolute best looking killboard in the world, and I might not know anything about pvp (buy/sell characters, hey?). My own killboard looks "good" because I only fly frigates, and generally in fleets of larger ships (cruisers, battlecruisers, battleships) so when I lose a 1.5M isk frigate, it's not a big deal. After all, I lost 1.5M isk, but the KMs I'm on show I "killed" a couple hundred million isk. There are plenty of ways to fake out kill boards.

Finally, if you're really into PVP, but your corporation isn't willing to help you learn the ropes, you might consider choosing another corporation until such time as you can be the member they need. There are plenty of PVP corps out there, and you can take your pick. I happen to like Red Vs Blue (it's pretty newb friendly, but it'll only teach you so much), but it's up to you.

Did I mention you'll lose a lot of ships? If I didn't, you will. A lot. More than you expect, in fact. It's a fact of life in this game. Best you can do is shrug it off and move on.

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. …"

Taurean Eltanin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-11-04 14:29:05 UTC
Jav Ozran wrote:
I've recently been trying out PvP, and i am absolutely rubbish at it.
I have 1 kill and 6 deaths- a joke on the billboards, making me think about starting a whole new character to get rid of the embarrassment.
I've read all the tips, guides and help forums the internet has to offer but i'm either gate camped with no time to run, scanned down in my safe spot, and when after many hours of roaming i find someone i might actually be able to kill, they pop me in less than a minute.

I suck and want to start again for new kill board stats, what do you reccomend?


After each fight, write down what happened, and what you could have done to get a different result.

For example, if you were scanned down in your safe spot, you could have been watching your D-scan for combat probes. That would have let you know they were probing you down and you could have got out.

Personally, I took all of these after action reports and put them into my blog so that other people could give me pointers, and that helped a lot. However, even just the act of thinking about what happened and putting it on paper will help you to internalise the skills and habits you need to develop to become decent at pvp.

If you like reading about low sec piracy or wormhole pvp, you might enjoy my blog.

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