Warfare & Tactics

Please bear with me. Responding to multiple people and multiple posts



"No one wins a war by dying for his country. You win war by making some other dumb bastard die for his." - Patton.

While yes wars are typically won by taking positions, resources, locations, etc. But removing the number of people from the location typically is how you win a fight. See kill enough of the others so they do not have enough to continue to kill you. This is what 00 is all about. WELCOME TO ALPHA FLEET NOOB! kill enough of them and their guns cant kill you. and once there is no one but you left well guess what you just won.

Have you ever played risk? how do you take over a location? by killing all the enemys guys on it? or orbiting it while the other player is asleep? Capture the flag has a higher risk and reward system then the current FW mechanics. If you are trying to take someones flag and a enemy shows up, you cant just leave and wait 4 hours and then go to capture the flag while the other player sleeps.


FLyinghotpocket: Yes people wil try to exploit. but the amount of LP given at the kill of anything is redic miniscule. For example:

MY MATH IS AIDS by the way. I just like to use simple examples.

I killed a rifter (minmatar) with a total killboard post worth of 10.6 mil isk.
I recieved a total of 481 LP for that kill.
Which means for every kill I get i receive 1 LP per every 22,038 isk blown up.
Now if you would like to exploit a JF (at the tune of 7 bil i am using easy numbers, this would actually cost more) to push your control...
Which would give you 317,633 LP be my guest. Which by the way would be at the edge of 1/3 of the system push required. So in order to capture 1 single system you would need to kill 3 JFs in this manner.
If someone wants to do the math to see if killing a JF and getting those loyalty points is worth the cost to capture a single system please let me know.
IF 952,899 LP is worth 21 bil isk... which at the LP market store you are cashing out great at 1,200 isk per LP... or 1,143,478,800 is the isk value of that 952,899 LP...

So please show me how killing 21 billion in JFs is worth the 1 billion you would receive from the LP gain or the single system flip....




You are right. it IS VP that pushes the system. and like you said its a standard amount. .7% each site. I was using the LP as a comparison value since that is easier to do the math for. Unless you want to change the LP given by pvp into VP given by kills. which you would then have to change the amount % won by each kill... see what i mean?

1. by denying kills or avoiding fights then you would lose the system by the enemy being there and taking the system. The pvp would only increase the speed of the direction the system is going, capture or defense. by the pilots actually fighting over it. Making it more beneficial for the faction to go kill that 10 man fleet in system then to avoid them for 3 hours and then plex the system once they log off.

2. Gate camping might start. but if the gate campers die then their values are pushed towards the warzone. this would actually decrease gate camps because if someone finds a gate camp of 10 bs... inb4 hotdrop and annilation of that gate camp. Free BS LP towards system push. This actually increases PVP and combat instead of the lets fly around and plex in systems that the enemy is not in.

Huola Station has spoken...

EVEN LNA should be able to agree that the kills you get in a system should work towards the warzone... wouldnt that better your pvp and actually make staying in 1 system worthwhile instead of blatant cowardice... ind4 never able to warp to any range but 100..

Adding to contested levels based on kills won't solve this issue, unless the rewards for doing so are boosted to levels that are exploitable. Edit: Not saying it's a bad idea, just that it won't help you "win" FW.

The system favors a those who can put together a group of players to provide full TZ coverage. If you can do that, then the systems you target will not be won by others who run plexes during your off time (farmers or others interested in occupancy over fights). Now you know how to contest systems in the occupancy war - at least in a area near where you are going to base out of. Have at it.

I actually laughed at your forum warrioring... You dont understand the mechanics at all.

If we wanted to stay up into all the tzs then we would win pretty easily. the problem is we actually have jobs and RL.

So unfortunatly each TZ puts in around 5-8 hours if they want to actually dedicate to the cause. this means that any side with more TZ plexers, IE more EU and RUS vs the US then they win. no matter what. off of simple math and time.

Now do they actually have more numbers? or do they just farm better during those hours?

My point is that you dont actually have to fight to win FW. just plex with the other side is asleep in systems that they are not in. Done. Game over. Sounds good.

My god, this whole post is full of troll/misunderstanding.



We're not required to plex, we do so cause it brings FIGHTS. We also have 'operational priorities' where we're encouraged to fight for a system or 2. It just so happens that we find fights. Lots of em actually. D plex alts are a part of FW whether you like it or not, and of COURSE they're gonna run. Why should a 0 tank 0 dps ship stay around?



If I am defending a system I want an advantage. Having a station in that system that the enemy cannot dock in is an advantage. Hell, it's worse out in 0.0 where NOBODY can dock in the station except for the owning corp and renters. If the other side wants to be able to reship in enemy territory, that's what POSs are for.

It must have been some other gallente corp that had the required plexing.




Indeed this is were we disagree. I don't think the war should be won by people who have 0 tank and 0 dps and just run from every wartarget.

Obviously I don't like it that rabbits win the war. That is why I have been advocating a pvp based sov war mechanic. I understand that you and other in jk are very happy with fw sov being rabbit based. At least we identified the root of the disagreement.




If you want pvp go to where both sides can have ships. If you want to win a silly carebear race where you have alts fly ships with no tank or dps so you can win, then carry on.

I have already seen it. Now you go look at the top five vp gainers for the day and tell me what their killboard looks like. They are the ones who are having the largest impact on fw sov. Or is it you who refuses to look at the data?

Notifications are a horrible idea if you want to win the war with rabbits that constantly run from pvp. I see yoru militia is doing quite well under the current hide and seek plexing mechanics so i am not surprised you don't like the idea. (its not even my idea anyway)





The warzone is actually 70 systems. Not 4. You again demonstrate how afraid you are that the enemy will know where all your rabbits are plexing and so they might actually have to fight a war instead of carebear it.



Sahtogas is heating up recently but it traditionally isn't even one of the top pvp systems on that front. Usuually its just lots of boring dplexing. You and your corp may be fine with that, (and cry bloody murder anytime someone suggests changes that would make the war pvp) but others want to actually fight a war.

No not you. You are the ones who want to make sure your rabbits can hide and avoid all pvp as they win sov. You are the ones who continually argue that rabbit plexing is fine, and always cry out when anyone suggests changes that would end it.

We made a channel for you to tell you where our stabbed deplexing alts were, and I don't think you ever even joined. I was broadcasting over and over "Merlin in _____ plex in Notoras" with my alt.

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YEA DATS WHAT WE TALKIN' ABOUT