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This expansion just became 25% less awesome?

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#41 - 2011-11-02 04:12:36 UTC
Don't see a issue here they leveled gall ship not to have ewar and drones it would makeit op and usable as solo boat anyone that don't see this is frankly not trying for some reasons.

for the rest of changes i can only wait and see.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#42 - 2011-11-02 04:14:57 UTC
They arent even available on the test server yet. hold your horses and go spew rage someplace else.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#43 - 2011-11-02 04:18:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Pattern Clarc
Talos compared to the Thorax with Sisi stats...
+1k EHP (+<10%... welp)
+60% Signature Radius
+85m/s /w MWD
+0.3 seconds align time
+1 slot
-50m3 Drones

This may not end well.

Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#44 - 2011-11-02 04:35:33 UTC
CCP, by dropping the web bonus and drones you have brought the talos in line with what the rest of gallente has been for 8 years.

Leave them on there and if the ship is OP then tweak PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't pre-nurf the Gallente boat. a lot of people were looking forward to this buff to a Gallente ship

Thanks!
Derp

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#45 - 2011-11-02 05:01:46 UTC
personally now that there are 3 tiers of bc's i would hope ccp balance them like this:

tier one have bs hitpoint but crusier damage

tier two have more then crusier hitpoints/damage but less then battleship hitpoints/damage

tier three have bs damage but crusier hit points...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
raney ilara
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2011-11-02 05:50:49 UTC
leave my domi drone boat alone.. even with the speed boost it will still be slower than my grandma with out her walker.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2011-11-02 05:57:54 UTC
raney ilara wrote:
leave my domi drone boat alone.. even with the speed boost it will still be slower than my grandma with out her walker.



If it makes your feel any better its still faster than a Maelstrom...and about twice as agile.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#48 - 2011-11-02 07:08:32 UTC
Thorax: 5 medium turrets, 5 medium drones.
Talos: 8 large turrets.

Is that a fair tradeoff? Sure, I'd like to see the "mini vindicator" comment come to fruition. Perhaps CCP figured that a webifier bonus wasn't going to play into the role that they wanted to fill with this ship?

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knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2011-11-02 07:15:08 UTC
Interest in flying any of these has gone to 0. Might as well just fly a tier 2 bc or a hac. These new ships no longer offer anything with these stats.
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2011-11-02 07:41:37 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Thorax: 5 medium turrets, 5 medium drones.
Talos: 8 large turrets.

Is that a fair tradeoff? Sure, I'd like to see the "mini vindicator" comment come to fruition. Perhaps CCP figured that a webifier bonus wasn't going to play into the role that they wanted to fill with this ship?

Could be. Webber means close range means blaster.

Effectively another diemost or brutix.

If they are supposed to be anti-cap weapons, that likely didn´t work out. And if using talos for it´s role resulted usually in instadeath and the other ships did far better because they didn´t have to close in, they are probably going for a railfit now and looking how that´s working out.

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#51 - 2011-11-02 08:29:59 UTC
Offtopic posts removed. Please refrain from personal attacks on the forums.

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luZk
Fivrelde Corp
#52 - 2011-11-02 08:37:31 UTC
Tbh web bonus AND bs sized guns sounds a little overpowered to me. We dont want a bc that makes all the other obsolete now do we?

http://i.imgur.com/1dl4DM6.jpg
Naari Talvanis
Doomheim
#53 - 2011-11-02 08:38:53 UTC
Are the fitting slot layouts also known?

If we get at least 1 utility high slot it will be hard to dissapoint me..
Dziu
Doomheim
#54 - 2011-11-02 08:42:05 UTC
People should stop bitching about sisi data dumps and see the ORIGINAL CONTENT that is coming rather then complaining on some "tests"
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2011-11-02 08:46:56 UTC
luZk wrote:
Tbh web bonus AND bs sized guns sounds a little overpowered to me. We dont want a bc that makes all the other obsolete now do we?



That that tank it would get whompped one on one against a Mrym.
Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#56 - 2011-11-02 08:47:29 UTC
Naari Talvanis wrote:
Are the fitting slot layouts also known?

If we get at least 1 utility high slot it will be hard to dissapoint me..

All ships get the same number of slots. 8 highs full of weapons (nothing stopping you from creating your own utility high there) and the same mids/lows as most tier 1 battlecruisers. So no, just about enough to fit a standard tank or gank +tackle fit really.

Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#57 - 2011-11-02 08:52:45 UTC
People go "OMG" it has BS sized guns!!

Which means fuckall without context. The main advantage of BS guns is range. Commandships or T3's can achieve "battleship" dps (or tank) with medium guns with the right bonuses. The problem with the Talos is that 1, rails suck and will continue to suck even with the current iteration of changes - blasters don't really provide the type of range needed to distinguish it's self from medium turrets in any context. Which was why the web and drones kinda helped.

I also question the cruiser stats... CCP, have you even begun to look into how and why t1 cruisers are (not) flown?

Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Sadayiel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2011-11-02 08:56:32 UTC
Pattern Clarc wrote:
People go "OMG" it has BS sized guns!!

Which means fuckall without context. The main advantage of BS guns is range. Commandships or T3's can achieve "battleship" dps (or tank) with medium guns with the right bonuses. The problem with the Talos is that 1, rails suck and will continue to suck even with the current iteration of changes - blasters don't really provide the type of range needed to distinguish it's self from medium turrets in any context. Which was why the web and drones kinda helped.

I also question the cruiser stats... CCP, have you even begun to look into how and why t1 cruisers are (not) flown?



Pattern seriously calm yourself down and just keep checking the changes.

If CCP should release ships as they was originaly deployed in SiSi this game should be broken years ago. Hell i even remember when the first versions of the hyperion came with a 2k extra shield and half the regen than a common raven back in the day.
DeadDuck
Aurora.
The Initiative.
#59 - 2011-11-02 08:59:12 UTC
Pattern Clarc wrote:
So according to the latest SISI data dump, all the tier 3 BATTLE CRUISERS lost some speed, HP and had some of their bonuses turned down...

Most notable of all was the Talos... Losing it's web bonus AND drones...

Either CCP Tallest is preparing one hell of a hybrids boost iteration or gallente specced pilots are in for a long cold hard winter...

What?



FFS leave CCP alone and do their job. You know that according with the 1st stats the Caldari BC had one more slot then all the other BC's ? You think that was balanced? Quit whining, seat back and relax... Roll
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#60 - 2011-11-02 09:04:03 UTC
Haha, so with the latest build:

Naga loses hybrid tracking bonus and the torp explosion velocity bonus, leaving it with just hybrid optimal and missile velocity.
Oracle loses laser optimal and tracking, gains cap use and damage.
Talos loses the web bonus, gains tracking.
Tornado's bonuses are unchanged.

So the Talos become worthless and the Naga more worthless. While clearly the best ship, the Tornado, is unchanged. Oh, they even cut the Talos's speed!

Sure, we could ignore these numbers as work in progress. But I ignored the projectile changes when they were being tested, as I thought they were clearly overpowered and would never make it into the game like that... oh.