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FanFest Impressions

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#101 - 2013-04-28 08:45:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Yea, I was pretty disappointed as well. Don't get me wrong, I am actually going to get a PS3 to play Dust, but that's not why I was watching Fanfest. I watch Fanfest for Eve, and there was so little of Eve in it that it almost wasn't worth watching.

I am happy with what they're going to add in Odyssey, and lots of these changes have been a long time coming... But, it's not a proper expansion.

Also, what's with them making a VR game, that works real time multiplayer?! Why the hell wasn't that time spent on Eve? Or on WiS stuff? The game looked good, but I was frankly insulted that they thought it would be good to tease us with another avenue of Eve that we will never see, at the expense of areas of Eve we've been asking for since well before Incarna. Ever extra project they started talking about was like a slap in the face. Comics, two books, a TV series! What about a better PC game FFS?

I watched almost every minute of fanfest because I am a junky, and although I will look forward to the expansion because the changes look good, I will still be annoyed at them. I rarely get annoyed at CCP. I wasn't even pissed when Incarna came out because I was running it on a top end machine. Now though, I am a little pissed.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Lost True
Perkone
Caldari State
#102 - 2013-04-28 08:48:25 UTC
One thing that i wanted to asked all the time while watching fanfest...

EVE players: why are you so damn FAT? ShockedBig smile

in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?

Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2013-04-28 08:51:45 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Yea, I was pretty disappointed as well. Don't get me wrong, I am actually going to get a PS3 to play Dust, but that's not why I was watching Fanfest. I watch Fanfest for Eve, and there was so little of Eve in it that it almost wasn't worth watching.

I am happy with what they're going to add in Odyssey, and lots of these changes have been a long time coming... But, it's not a proper expansion.

Also, whats with them making a VR game, that works real time multiplayer?! Why the hell wasn't that time spent on Eve? Or on WiS stuff? The game looked good, but I was frankly insulted that they thought it would be good to tease us with another avenue of Eve that we will never see, at the expense of areas of Eve we've been asking for since well before Incarna. Ever extra project they started talking about was like a slap in the face. Comic, two books, a TV series! What about a better PC game FFS?

I rarely get annoyed at CCP. I wasn't even pissed when Incarna came out because I was running it on a top end machine. Now though, I am a little pissed.



Let me put it this way:

If they weren't allowed to spend some time on their own personal projects on the side then you'd probably have an EVE Online that would be quite crappier. There is a reason for why the biggest mainstream companies regardless of field allow their employees this kind of freedom. That reason is called "creativity" and for those with a proper brain know that creativity can be very lucrative and is the very thing that advances whatever field said creativity falls under. In short it's a win-win situation.

As for the comic book/tv series, I also approve of this cause I think that the stories from EVE is equal to a treasure trove. Dwarf Fortress is another game where I honestly think you could make an awesome series if done correctly.



AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#104 - 2013-04-28 09:17:24 UTC
For those of you who feel let down, betrayed and/or underwhelmed by CCP/Fanfest I have one thing to say:

Lower your expectations.
Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
#105 - 2013-04-28 09:38:24 UTC
Gillia Winddancer wrote:


If they weren't allowed to spend some time on their own personal projects on the side then you'd probably have an EVE Online that would be quite crappier. There is a reason for why the biggest mainstream companies regardless of field allow their employees this kind of freedom. That reason is called "creativity" and for those with a proper brain know that creativity can be very lucrative and is the very thing that advances whatever field said creativity falls under. In short it's a win-win situation.

As for the comic book/tv series, I also approve of this cause I think that the stories from EVE is equal to a treasure trove. Dwarf Fortress is another game where I honestly think you could make an awesome series if done correctly.



Quoted for truth. No matter how awesome or interesting an idea is, you don't force someone to spend years working at it without giving their creative juices some outlet to pursue different paths occassionally. How about let's force you to do *insert activity* in EVE, and nothing but that for 10 years. I mean, you say your primary interest is *activity*, so you should be damn well happy to work on it and nothing else for years on end right? I'm assuming you hold to that same philosophy when dealing with your real life jobs as well?

For all the smug about the average EVE player being better than your average theme park MMO player, the whiny entitlement sure remains annoyingly familiar.
Concurssi Mellenar
Doomheim
#106 - 2013-04-28 09:53:43 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
Sorry dudes, but I'm going to defend CCP here. I understand your frustration that Fanfest may not have been completely full of EVE Online content, but does this not show that New Eden is expanding and the continued integration of DUST 514 as part of the same universe?
But that's just it. The people complaining don't want New Eden to expand, they want it to stagnate.
"This is different, and I don't like things that are different."

I'm eager to see what CCP brings to the table in the coming years. I think that the new way of working that Seagull introduced will take the game far, and Odyssey seems like the first step towards something great. Themed expansions? They should have been doing that from the get-go.

He who controls the veld, controls the universe.

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#107 - 2013-04-28 09:56:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Honestly there was/is/will be a bunch of eve related content in odyssey:
-New gate animations+pretty sensor sweep
-probe deployment
-tags for sec status
-revamped archaeology
-revamped hacking
-v3'd capitals
-improved station interiors and gate graphics
-*4x hi res textures*
-warp to [select your range here] instead of just 0, 5k, 10k, etc.
-nullsec industry, ore, and resource re-balance (aka tech nerf that everyone asked for + improved nullsec manufacturing)
-largest ship rebalance ever, all t1 bs, faction cruiser, faction bs, some faction frigs
-navy battlecruisers
-gnosis for everybody

In all honesty, this is probably one of the larger eve expansions in a while. Granted, a large chunk of fanfest wasn't about eve exclusively, but there was a great deal of info on eve none the less.

Also, the occulus rift game looked absolutely amazing and received significant media attention, which is good for eve as a whole.
And building your own stargates is a cool idea.

How is that not a large list?

The list is good. But for some folks only new stuff qualifies. Because hey, it's an expansion, right?

It's easier for Blizzard to sell a crapload of pets, mounts, daily quests and a couple of half finished refurbished dungeons as the next expansion and charge 5 months worth of subscriptions for it, just because it's "new" stuff. Millions of players cannot be wrong. Can they?

But ofc you're called a TOOL here, if you think CCP is doing something right Roll.

Remove standings and insurance.

Lost True
Perkone
Caldari State
#108 - 2013-04-28 09:56:51 UTC
AkJon Ferguson wrote:
For those of you who feel let down, betrayed and/or underwhelmed by CCP/Fanfest I have one thing to say:

Lower your expectations.

True.

CCP can't fail you guys, because it's not their responsibility, it's yours responsibility to make your game enjoyable. CCP are making this game, but it's you who choosing the games to play, or maybe not to play at all and have a more fulfilling life.
If you're made mistake in choosing a game, and instead of quitting you're waiting for CCP to make it satisfactory for you so the your time won't be wasted... Then you're be even more dissapointed.

Think about it. The extensions are good, but if you don't like the game how it is now, the future expansions will never be good enough for you.

I know it, this is my 6 expirience of this game. Even if there will be a huge change of the situation, i will be glad, but i'm not sure that i'll be playing this game then... Thanks. but it's a bit too late for that, sorry.
o well... my last return for 1 month after 2 years of nothing, to try the mining was ok. 130m alt sold so i don't mind keeping this one active, no rmt :)

in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?

Noam Kova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#109 - 2013-04-28 10:31:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Noam Kova
baltec1 wrote:
Noam Kova wrote:
CCP, thanks for DUST Fanfest 2013! I thought you learned a lesson from the community riots after Incarna. It was very interesting to hear about the golden egg for $ 150 (it is the level of squalid Korean MMO). See how instead of updating the game I get a patch with a couple of minor changes. New stargate animation? New scanner? Mini-games? And THAT took half a year?! This is done in a month a group of 5 people. But you doing a dust. You are doing a FREE game while we were PAYING, and now you have the audacity to try to sell us the golden eggs for $ 150 with Oculus Rift. Are you kidding me? Apparently, the one pamphlet that came to us because of the leakage of information during Incarna was not a joke. Apparently, you follow the plan that we've seen. And the last question, when you start to sell gold Drake for aurum?


1. DUST is EVE.

2. There is a huge amount of changes and things coming this summer.

3. its clear you arn't a programmer

4. What CCP uses its cash on is up to CCP. They are a games company, we should thank them for investing so mush isk into EVE for so long unlike just about every other games company out there.

5. So don't buy the egg.
Noam Kova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#110 - 2013-04-28 11:13:32 UTC
WTF?! Why i cat edit my post?
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#111 - 2013-04-28 11:14:25 UTC
DelBoy Trades wrote:
okst666 wrote:
maybe you should get used to that eve and dust will be just one big thing at some time.

Or maybe CCP should get used to the fact that their entire income comes from us, and our opinions matter.



Retail Stereotyping
Customer View --> The Customer is always RIGHT
Retailer View --> The customer is mostly always STUPID



Sorry to burst your bubble, but
you are NOT a special precious unique little snowflake

yes that right, lie down on the floor
kick your arms and legs
go 'WAAAAAAAAAGH!!'


your opinion is irrelevant, get used to the thought

don't like it ?? there are other games to play, please go play them
take your mardy petulant whining elsewhere
Anyura
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2013-04-28 11:17:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Anyura
Lost True wrote:
One thing that i wanted to asked all the time while watching fanfest...

EVE players: why are you so damn FAT? ShockedBig smile


That Titan isn't going to mine itself, goddamn it!

I've just had a revelation I'd like to share with you all. EVE is game created almost entirely from player interactions right? So if you're disatisified with EVE, as a player, it's actually YOUR FAULT. Twisted
Aemonchichi
Limited Access
#113 - 2013-04-28 11:23:25 UTC
worst fanfest ever and that for 10 years eve ? lol

i watched most via streams and my impression was hourlong speeches about unimportant stuff like minigames (honestly) tons of non ccp dudes trying to sell us their stuff, gettin us into funding weird **** like elevators and dust.... dust crap everywhere

i never was into shooters and never will be so i dont give a flying fart about dust, but alas this was eve fanfest and not dust fanfest

what did we get in fact ?

- a new stargate jump animation (ya for sure that gave me a nerd boner)
- preset formations for probes (long begged for this minor improvement)

thats all you give us for our 10 year birthday fanfest ? honestly ?

and PROMISES, yeah a lot of them were given, like we work on stuff thats cool but we cant tell you about, stargate construction but we cant tell you about, we, ccp, make plans now for years to come but we cant tell you about... cmon really ? at our 10th birthday fanfest ?

all in all very disappointing, definitley not the way to go ccp

and just to remember: we watch what you do and not what you say, and you really did not much

CCP WhiteNoiseTrash
C C P
C C P Alliance
#114 - 2013-04-28 11:26:42 UTC
Arduemont wrote:


Also, what's with them making a VR game, that works real time multiplayer?! Why the hell wasn't that time spent on Eve?


we are not making a VR game.
it was a side project from some of us, made off the record, on our own time in only seven weeks.
after hours, late nights and weekends. we spent no less time in our normal work on EVE.

It was an experiment, which we don't know how far will go, the team behind it, me and the other guys, will for sure work for this in the future, no matter if it's gonna be official CCP business or not. It's made out of our passion for making games and not as an add-on or a prototype of something bigger coming.

Bjørn Jacobsen | Deceased Audio Designer | EVE Online & EVE : Valkyrie | CCP Games | I might be slow at replying - but at least I'm bad at football.

Noam Kova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#115 - 2013-04-28 11:33:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Noam Kova
Kitty Bear wrote:
DelBoy Trades wrote:
okst666 wrote:
maybe you should get used to that eve and dust will be just one big thing at some time.

Or maybe CCP should get used to the fact that their entire income comes from us, and our opinions matter.



Retail Stereotyping
Customer View --> The Customer is always RIGHT
Retailer View --> The customer is mostly always STUPID



Sorry to burst your bubble, but
you are NOT a special precious unique little snowflake

yes that right, lie down on the floor
kick your arms and legs
go 'WAAAAAAAAAGH!!'


your opinion is irrelevant, get used to the thought

don't like it ?? there are other games to play, please go play them
take your mardy petulant whining elsewhere



Remember Incarna. And as an update met in the Jita. Now, tell me again about the fact that the CCP do not care the opinions of their players. This is not a blizzard that could give a s*** about their players, because they still have the same 8kk fanboys.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#116 - 2013-04-28 11:39:13 UTC
Damion Rayne wrote:
How is this an "Expansion"
By offering a solid much-needed and long-awaited changes, along with more tools for us to create gameplay. Your problem is that you're confusing “expansion” with “more crap to grind” — just because that's what the themepark MMOs have to offer to expand their game doesn't mean that EVE has to do the same. Quite the opposite in fact: the best expansion to EVE is one where players are given tools to do more; the content creates itself from there.

Guess what Odyssey provides? More tools.

Quote:
it adds absolutely nothing new what so ever
…except for a completely new industrial and exploration landscape; new art; a new mini-profession; and effectively almost a dozen ships added, just off the top of my head.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#117 - 2013-04-28 11:42:59 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Noam Kova wrote:
WTF?! Why i cat edit my post?


Because you quoted meBlink
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#118 - 2013-04-28 11:52:46 UTC
Noam Kova wrote:



Remember Incarna. And as an update met in the Jita. Now, tell me again about the fact that the CCP do not care the opinions of their players. This is not a blizzard that could give a s*** about their players, because they still have the same 8kk fanboys.


And you missed my point

CCP need to develop their products to remain relevant with the changes in the hardware market

10 years ago the Desktop PC was the undisputed king
consoles were a minority market share
mobile products were a luxury commodity for the privileged few

Today Smart Phones are more numerous than desktops
OS & Application developers are shifting their focus more and more to tablets and notebooks

In 10 years time I can't even guess what will be current tech for the masses
but im pretty sure that mobility will be a key component


just so your clear, my point is
The hardware market is changing, moving away from the desktop PC
CCP as far as I can tell are merely following this trend

The world is changing, and ccp is changing with it
hence as a customer we ARE irrelevant

cry, kick & scream as much as you like
the change is going to happen
deal with it.
Zigura
GeoCorp.
The Initiative.
#119 - 2013-04-28 11:54:12 UTC
im all up for some mobile interactivity with the game. about time we have it already.
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#120 - 2013-04-28 12:00:38 UTC
Since I have been spending this weekend involved with C2E2, I have not been keeping pace with too much of this year's news from the fest. And as I approach seven years involved with this game, based upon past experiences, many things mentioned on the forums from the fest as the "greatest thing ever" shall remain as hype until it is live on the servers and dissected by the players into the maximum and minimum values. How far Dust pushes the franchise, how the ice and mineral changes will alter the industries and markets, how unifying all the ships across the four races will pan out - just hype and speculation.

Unfortunately, there are segments of the player base that believe every word CCP claims as gospel while counterbalanced by any changes whatsoever as the end of the game.

It is ~just~ a game in the end, right?