Crime & Punishment

Greetings,


Recently, while I was mining afk in a High sec solar sistem (with my main character) my Retriver mining barge was destroyed by a Catalyst. Shortly after the Concord destroyed his ship my wreck was looted. Out of curiosity, I asked the attacker why did he attack me, knowing he would only get a few T2 modules and whatever was mined in the ore bay (no more then 10 mil). His answer was "Just for the LOL of it!".


Now, if I want to express my revange twords the attacker there are vary few options avalible. I can make use of my kill rights for 30 days and I can make this kill rights avalible for every player in Eve (witch is a major improvement), but still, this is hardly a challenge for the attacker because 1. I cannot spend one month searching the whole empire space in the hope that I can find him and 2. there aren't many people that are going to activate the kill rights twords him just because thay can.


If CCP wants to discurage this type of simply annoying attacks I have the following suggestion:

In the 30 days that the kill rights are avalible, the victim should know at any time the location of the attacker (while he is in empire space) so that he could be found and remembered that if he wants PVP he should go in low sect or null sect, not high sect destroying defenceless mining barges.

Best regards!

"If CCP wants to discurage ...." <-- not sure if this troll post or not, but

totally opposite :)
should read this old article , more toward burnjita and eve economic, but touching sucide ganking aswell
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-27-ccp-players-attempt-to-destroy-eve-online-economy-is-f-ing-brilliant

"I tell you what, it's going to be f***ing brilliant," - CCP Unifex

I agree this is very likely a troll. But I'll go through the motions anyway:


If you were afk, that means you weren't even playing EVE. Your attacker was attacking an unattended ship cluttering up space, so I commend him.


There are some things you need to know about kill rights. First of all, they are unnecessary. Your attacker didn't have kill rights on you, yet he destroyed your ship in highsec. You can do the same to anyone else in EVE, as long as you are willing to accept the consequences. Second, if your attacker is anything like most suicide gankers, his security status is negative. If it's below -5.0, he's an outlaw. That means anyone can kill him with no consequences from CONCORD. A kill right on an outlaw is completely worthless and unnecessary.


As has been pointed out, learn about locator agents. They can help you find other players, whatever reason you may have for doing so. Your attacker was not engaging in PVP, because one of the P's was not even at the keyboard (you). And if your barge was defenseless, that was your choice. They don't have to be.

didnt care enough to read all the response, however i think you want something from ccp because you are to lazy to do some work!
Please tell me if i am wrong here!

If you were AFK in EvE while undocked, you deserved to be ganked.

If you were mining in highsec without buying a 10m ISK/year permit from the New Order, then it is our duty and pleasure to blow you up.

If you have a kill right on a character with a -5 or lower standing, then it is worthless, since anyone can attack that character in highsec at any time.

I hope this helps clear up your misconceptions about EvE online, and "safety" in highsec.

Hello again,

I thank you all for the honest replies and for the time you took to write them. I would like in the end to express my way of viewing Eve Online.

I have played Eve Online for 4 years, 2 of witch were played in null sec, I have done solo PVP and I have been in fleets of 1000 players. During that time I've come to the belief that if you want to play this game at its fullest, null sec is the place to be in. It is the place where you see your true potential, it is the place where you truly matter whether you are an industrialist, a PVP player or even a farmer, and it is the place where you are free to do what ever you want without having your actions considered inappropriate (cowardly, scamming, etc.).

I believe that if you come to a point in life where you have to take it slow with what ultimately is only a game, without quitting it because it is a great game to play, you retreat to a safer place (high sec) where the environment (Concorde) watches after you, with the down side that there are less environmental resources at you're disposal. It is regrettable to see that just like in real life where there are less resources, people begin to see other people as resources (market scamming, suicide attacks, etc.). Yet the fact that Eve online reflects very well the reality is the main reason I play it.

Regarding some of your answers.

"didnt care enough to read all the response, however i think you want something from ccp because you are to lazy to do some work!
Please tell me if i am wrong here!"

I don't want CCP to do something for me, I want CCP to give more options of doing something for my self and if they already exist make them more obvious.



"Every AFK miner (whether botted or not) blown up is one less person engaging in market PVP and causing legitimate miners to make less ISK than they otherwise should.

A pity they did not kill your pod. "

A Retriever mining barge uses Strip miner modules witch have a cycle of 180 seconds. Some asteroids will be depleted in this 180 sec cycle, witch means that you will have to check you're mining progress quite often, but during that 3 minute cycle what am I gonna do? ... count the 180 second cycles the whole time I'm mining? Let alone the fact that when a suicide aggressor attacks you there is nothing you can do whether you are AFK for a few minutes or in front of the computer, one shoot is enough to pop you up.




"Bad troll is bad "

The purpose of this post is to make a suggestion witch can very well be disregarded, no more, no less.



The fact that we are so different is another reason that this game is so great.
Once again I thank you all for the time you took for the replies and I wish you all the best!

Assuming the op isn't a troll, if you bothered learning how to play the game in those 4 years that you claim to have been playing it, this thread would not exist. Actually, with that in mind, this thread is definitely a troll.

Highsec is safer than everywhere else, that does not mean that it's safe, Concord are there to punish criminals, not protect everybody else.

Highsec is as much a non-consensual PvP area as nullsec, lowsec and whspace, you are not exempt from it just because you're afk in a mining vessel with a tank made of kleenex.

You have 2 choices:
A: don't afk mine and take some basic precautions, use standings to alert you to "unfriendly" people in local, fit for tank not max yield, and finally don't afk mine.
B: continue to play under the impression that highsec is a non-consensual PvP free zone, and die some more.

1) Why would CCP want to discourage shooting spaceships in a spaceship shooting game
2) It is incredibly easy to find the location of other players in EVE, unless they're in wormholes. You can find the location of any player not in a wormhole in a matter of minutes.
3) Low sec / null sec are not the only PVP areas. The concept of pvp and no-pvp areas is just simply wrong. You are wrong. Learn EVE bro. All of it is PVP all the time
4) 2/10 trolling, I replied

Someone call the wambulance.