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Lets face it: NOT VOTING IN CSM8 IS A VOTE FOR NULL SEC BLOCKS

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Lost True
Perkone
Caldari State
#141 - 2013-04-27 10:00:28 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Voting link: http://bit.ly/vote-ripard
This is the last weekend of the CSM8 elections if you don't vote you are effectively the reason those that did vote will have more say then you did will. With the way game mechanics forces those in NULL to have to organize to survive means they'll have an overwelming organizational advatage even though the majority of Eve does live in HI SEC, then NULL then LO SEC then WH's ( I'm not sure but WH population may be overtaking lo soon if trends continue, guess we'll see what Dr E says @ Fanfest if the demographics are still the same or WH's have overtaken lo population after the FW nerf) .

Voter apathy is part & parcel to the game mainly due to mechanics which naturally fragment the largest populations of EVE but still it doesn't have to mean CSM's votes have to only garner <20% of the electorate to vote. Do yourself a favor & vote even if its only for 1 or 2 slots & not the whole 14 slate.

Well, i woted long ago. Although of course it won't change the course of the game.

in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#142 - 2013-04-27 10:53:21 UTC
Lost True wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Voting link: http://bit.ly/vote-ripard
This is the last weekend of the CSM8 elections if you don't vote you are effectively the reason those that did vote will have more say then you did will. With the way game mechanics forces those in NULL to have to organize to survive means they'll have an overwelming organizational advatage even though the majority of Eve does live in HI SEC, then NULL then LO SEC then WH's ( I'm not sure but WH population may be overtaking lo soon if trends continue, guess we'll see what Dr E says @ Fanfest if the demographics are still the same or WH's have overtaken lo population after the FW nerf) .

Voter apathy is part & parcel to the game mainly due to mechanics which naturally fragment the largest populations of EVE but still it doesn't have to mean CSM's votes have to only garner <20% of the electorate to vote. Do yourself a favor & vote even if its only for 1 or 2 slots & not the whole 14 slate.

Well, i woted long ago. Although of course it won't change the course of the game.


I disagree.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#143 - 2013-04-27 10:54:46 UTC
Sethose Olderon wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Sethose Olderon wrote:
It's very hard to compete with block voting, when the personality cults fuel their mindless drones with bread and circuses, and instruct them in who they should vote for.


It's very easy to compete with block voting (called, in most democracies, "Political Parties"). Just have more voters than they have.

It's only hard to compete with them if you have fewer voters that disagree with their platform than they have voters who agree with their platform. Which is, uh, kind of the basic premise of Democracy...


Oh yes, because everyone loves real life politics, right? Parties are not the solution, people hate political parties, myself included.

The solution requires equal representation for the divisions (Yes, there are divisions...) in the Eve population. As of now, the CSM is not a fair system of representation. Why? Because the divisions within the Eve population are not represented equally. Each division deserves equal representation, regardless of how those divisions are drawn, whether divided by population, geography, security level, or political differentiation.

Until such a time, as the non-nullsec inhabitants receive fair representation, and do not have to compete with block voting personality cults, the incessant disparities will continue to exist. Not everyone within highsec is apathetic or a macro-miner, some of us simply refuse to live under the whims of a sociopath with maniacal fantasies.


I'm sorry but there's no voting system that's going to work around the problem of not voting.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#144 - 2013-04-27 10:59:44 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
Sethose Olderon wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
... waits for the wooden stake to be driven through the heart of voter apathy....



or if wood stake was plunged into HI SEC represtentation?


Would you rather have a person who's main is in hisec but an obvious moron than an outright goon who appears to be a quite useful member to the group?

I'm a hisec carbear, but I had Goons on my tab.

Because I don't worry about how they play, I based my votes on how I read the people behind the icons, which is the ones that will talk for us.


"Useful" is a matter of opinion... Lenin called the populace "useful idiots", ever consider that your precious goons might think the same of you and your vote?

No, because you obviously link in-game behaviour to out of game experience.

The CSM doesn't have any power within CCP, if they are cute they're PR, and they are nasty they're PR, if they are idiots they're hidden and forgotten.

But if they actually have the cerebral capacity to help CCP they are useful.

CCP is more aware on who's paying their salaries than anyone outside the company, they don't need any elected body to tell them how we play the game.

They know exactly how we play the game, they know exactly who's paying their salaries.

The CSM is supposed to be a sounding board and a group that can help CCP making the game better.

Voting for a ****** mouth breather who might share my style of playing isn't going to help me getting a better game.

Adding a vote for someone who appears to be a good member of the CSM, regardless of in-game connections, seemed a better move.

"I said lots of words, that must make what I said true, right?"

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Dave stark
#145 - 2013-04-27 11:00:29 UTC
i hope the csm is full of null sec candidates.

i want to see the outrage, it will be delicious.
Frying Doom
#146 - 2013-04-27 11:10:09 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


I'm sorry but there's no voting system that's going to work around the problem of not voting.

http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/quebechistory/federal/repbypop.htm

Representation by population, I personally do not like it but it does exist.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lost True
Perkone
Caldari State
#147 - 2013-04-27 11:11:50 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Lost True wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Voting link: http://bit.ly/vote-ripard
This is the last weekend of the CSM8 elections if you don't vote you are effectively the reason those that did vote will have more say then you did will. With the way game mechanics forces those in NULL to have to organize to survive means they'll have an overwelming organizational advatage even though the majority of Eve does live in HI SEC, then NULL then LO SEC then WH's ( I'm not sure but WH population may be overtaking lo soon if trends continue, guess we'll see what Dr E says @ Fanfest if the demographics are still the same or WH's have overtaken lo population after the FW nerf) .

Voter apathy is part & parcel to the game mainly due to mechanics which naturally fragment the largest populations of EVE but still it doesn't have to mean CSM's votes have to only garner <20% of the electorate to vote. Do yourself a favor & vote even if its only for 1 or 2 slots & not the whole 14 slate.

Well, i woted long ago. Although of course it won't change the course of the game.


I disagree.

Well. I'm a casual player. Not in a bad way. I'm a mature man that doing business in RL. I don't have(want) to spend too much energy and time for the game. I like such easy things as highsec mining... Souds weird? Yep, the players like me always will be the ones to left behind, no matter what and how many ppl voted.

in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#148 - 2013-04-27 11:15:35 UTC
Lost True wrote:
Well. I'm a casual player. Not in a bad way. I'm a mature man that doing business in RL. I don't have(want) to spend too much energy and time for the game. I like such easy things as highsec mining... Souds weird? Yep, the players like me always will be the ones to left behind, no matter what and how many ppl voted.

And that's the way it should be.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#149 - 2013-04-27 11:15:52 UTC
Who cares

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#150 - 2013-04-27 13:12:55 UTC
Moved to the right forum/

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Sravaw
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2013-04-28 01:03:01 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
And that's bad because CCP blindly follows through with whatever the CSM proposes, no matter how one sided, biased and imbalanced it may be.

This is what carebears actually believe.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#152 - 2013-05-09 18:06:50 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

I'm sorry but there's no voting system that's going to work around the problem of not voting.


Compulsory sufferage is one system although you'll get a few peeps that get around that like they do in Australia
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#153 - 2013-05-09 19:26:07 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Compulsory sufferage is one system although you'll get a few peeps that get around that like they do in Australia


You can unsub from Australian elections? Neat! How'd they work that?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2013-05-09 19:28:04 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Lost True wrote:
Well. I'm a casual player. Not in a bad way. I'm a mature man that doing business in RL. I don't have(want) to spend too much energy and time for the game. I like such easy things as highsec mining... Souds weird? Yep, the players like me always will be the ones to left behind, no matter what and how many ppl voted.

And that's the way it should be.


Except this time, it wasn't

damn if a casual player didn't go and get elected.

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
dark heartt
#155 - 2013-05-10 01:44:24 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Compulsory sufferage is one system although you'll get a few peeps that get around that like they do in Australia


You can unsub from Australian elections? Neat! How'd they work that?


Religious reasons for one.

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/