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Disturbing Information Received from Rescued Minmatar Emissary
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Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#1 - 2013-04-26 19:33:49 UTC
(I asked for an received permission from Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh and the DSTON Development office to start this thread.)

I am posting this thread separately from my regular logs after a rescue that occured 115.04.24 13:05 Below is a copy of that log post followed by an update from today.

Yesterday's Post:
“I sensed I was in trouble, so when I had the opportunity, I slipped in with a group of slaves heading for a debarkation bay in the station.” This was part of the story told us by one of the people we rescued today from the death can. Now and then, we rescue people other than slaves and their stories are often interesting. This man’s story is quite intriguing. He was picked up with a group of 70 others, 50 former slaves and 20 former Elite Slaves. When we docked in the temp center in Caldari space, this man identified himself as a member of a diplomatic consular mission from the Republic that was in the Empire to consult with members of the Amarrian government. The mission was regarding recent issues with the Caldari State and possible retaliatory terrorist activity against the Federation after the Caldari Prime incident. Why? we asked. "Some within our government are trying to ease tensions with the Federation over the Midular situation. If we could make efforts to prevent terrorism aimed at the Federation, we could make headway in this through Amarrian diplomatic channels." This Minmatar Emissary claims that talks began going badly and that some of their group disappeared. Fearing for his life, he managed to stow away aboard a capsuleer transport heading out of the Empire. That’s when he ended up dumped along with the others.

At this point we have not verified anything this man has told us and we are not sure that he is who he claims to be. I struggle with the plausibility of his story. We will try to find out more in days to come. We do know that he desperately pleaded with us to get him out of Caldari space. We told him that he was safe at our temp center and that no harm would come to him. However, he begged to be taken elsewhere. “If I am discovered in the State, I will be killed.” He was nothing if but sincere. I told him, that later today, I would arrange to transport him to our office in Yulai. He was comfortable with that. As I post this, I am getting the DSS Cab ready for a trip to Yulai.


Wall of Shame:

115.04.24 14:49 bruce69 10 people (Former Elite Slaves)
115.04.24 13:05 Amin lon 71 people (20 Former Elite Slaves, 50 Former Slaves, 1 Minmatar Emmisary)
 end of yesterday's log post.

115.04.26
I am a little embarrassed to admit my ignorance about things that most capsuleers know very well. Ships, weapons and military technology are not strengths of mine. What does and Achuran Pacifist know of such things? While I appreciate and study history, I often forget the minute details of what ships did what and their names. This became clear in my interaction with the Minmatar Emissary. I call him Cobbs, though that isn’t his real name.

“Nyx, Nyx, Nyx!” Cobbs shouted it a little louder each time as if that might remove the dumb-founded look on my face. “Ever heard of Alexander Noir? Ishukone? The Wandering Saint?” Now the light came on, “Oh yes, the Malkalen disaster,” I replied. The man had been trying to get something across to me about why he was concerned about the failure of the consulate mission. We had been watching a news feed in the Yulai office and the story about the Federation denial of extradition had just come on. “There are many within the State who believe that with the Republic and the Federation in a sour relationship, the time has never been riper for revenge.” “We can’t afford a weak ally in the Gallente.” “None of this is good.” His words started to make more sense and I began to see the sense in a Minmatar consular mission to the Empire to ultimately influence the State with regard to the Federation.

What does a Nyx have to do with all of it? He went on to remind me that it had been a Nyx supercarrier that had been rammed into the Ishukone station killing all those people and feeding the hatred between the State and Federation. “If you were a State terrorist and wanted the sweetest revenge; one that made a historical statement, what ship would you use?” Cobbs stressed his point as he tried to make me see what he was saying. “So, what is the particular issue? This technology is available to capsuleers regardless of race or politics.”

He drew in a deep breath and answered, “The destruction of the Titan over Caldari Prime; the assassination attempt on Karin Midular; tensions between the Federation and the Republic, Tibus Heth; Empress Jamyl; radicals from every faction fomenting hate and calling for action. See any patterns? Terrorists love to strike at times of instability and heightened emotion. That is the big deal. Think about what a determined Caldari pilot, fueled with vengeance, just think…” His words stopped and he just nodded his head in a determined way.

“Do you think someone is planning to do something like that?” I asked the question even though it was obvious Cobbs thought that it was so. Cobbs replied, “Not think—know!” “I’ve probably said enough.” The conversation ended and I headed back to our patrol areas. Maybe we could talk later? Cobbs nodded, "maybe."

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2013-04-26 19:42:21 UTC
If the State retailiated in kind to every act of aggression and terrorism that has been perpetrated against it, large sections of the Federation would be smoking ruin.

Perhaps you feel you are spreading a warning? Perhaps. Many will see insult in your claims, however.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#3 - 2013-04-26 19:58:22 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
If the State retailiated in kind to every act of aggression and terrorism that has been perpetrated against it, large sections of the Federation would be smoking ruin.

Perhaps you feel you are spreading a warning? Perhaps. Many will see insult in your claims, however.


Dear sir,
Cobbs wasn't suggesting the State is behind this. Rather "unstable" elements within the State, or Republic, or Federation, or Empire as you know, can act far far apart from any governmental authority or approval. I am sorry if I created the wrong impression. I do hope, however that reasonable capsuleers will be keeping an eye out. Maybe Cobbs is delusional. Maybe he is on to something.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace
Shiho Weitong
Yeet and Yoink Inc.
Heirs To The Pleasurehub
#4 - 2013-04-26 20:31:00 UTC
Terrorism only works because people allow themselves to be bullied and scared by the radical minorities.
It's a horrible thing every time it happens, but as long as we allow the media to give these people the ONLY thing they want, exposure, they will keep doing it.

In the face of these disasters, we should close ranks and mourn the lost in quiet.
Turning it into a media spectacle every time only ensures it will happen again.

The stars have lamented before, and the stars will lament again. And therefore so shall we.
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#5 - 2013-04-26 22:50:02 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
If the State retailiated in kind to every act of aggression and terrorism that has been perpetrated against it, large sections of the Federation would be smoking ruin.

Perhaps you feel you are spreading a warning? Perhaps. Many will see insult in your claims, however.


What a proud boast, asserting that not only does the Federation terrorize you, but if you were to be serious about reprisal - and obviously your too civilized and good to do such a thing, no - then it's a given that you would succeed.

And you wonder why it is that I don't like you. Can you provide me any good arguments for why you believe this kind of hollow bravado and slander is warranted and deserved, Tuulinen?
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-04-26 23:22:09 UTC
Greetings Ston Momaki.

I will jump straight to the point. You will hand over this 'Cobb' individual for us to question. Failure to comply, would be most unwise.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2013-04-26 23:41:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
BloodBird wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
If the State retailiated in kind to every act of aggression and terrorism that has been perpetrated against it, large sections of the Federation would be smoking ruin.

Perhaps you feel you are spreading a warning? Perhaps. Many will see insult in your claims, however.


What a proud boast, asserting that not only does the Federation terrorize you, but if you were to be serious about reprisal - and obviously your too civilized and good to do such a thing, no - then it's a given that you would succeed.

And you wonder why it is that I don't like you. Can you provide me any good arguments for why you believe this kind of hollow bravado and slander is warranted and deserved, Tuulinen?



Sure. Malkalen.

Any other questions?

I hate to point it out, but we just don't slam Capital ships into things as much as the Federation does. Both times that State capital ships have impacted on Federation worlds, they needed Federation Navy help to get there. Number of Federation worlds indiscriminately bombarded from space by the State? Zero. Number of blockades of a Federation world by the State in an attempt to starve the population in submission? Zero. Number of Federation orbitals sabotaged and rammed by the State? Zero. Number of influential Federation politicians assassinated by the State? Zero.

I'm not saying that these crimes of the past need to dominate our relationship now or in the future - I'm just saying that we have more reason to be wary and less of a history of resorting to such methods on any world other than Caldari Prime - a world that could only be loosely described as 'Federation'.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#8 - 2013-04-27 02:14:10 UTC
It was likely an unwise decision to mention that Mr. Cobbs is in our Yulai facility as during the last few hours, our staff reports strange and suspicious activity. There was a momentary power loss at our facility. Our computers were down for several minutes. A member of our kitchen staff was knocked unconscious by an unknown assailant. Staff and residents have reported the presence of new faces claiming to be new residents of our facility asking questions. Dr. Nalthkh has instructed me to prepare to move Mr. Cobbs to a different system sometime soon when we feel we can do so securely.

In response to Mr. Tuulinen, Yes, I now believe that this is a warning that someone is planning to attempt an act of violent terror. After today's events, Mr. Cobbs has indicated that he is in possession of security access information that if in the wrong hands could be used to take the lives of many. Presumably, this has something to do with the "Nyx" he kept on about earlier today. He has begged us to protect him at all costs and to get him to a more secure location as soon as possible.

After today's not so cryptic demand that Mr. Cobbs be handed over to members of the Northern Co. for questioning, we feel that we are in over our heads on this one. Any capsuleers who can offer assistance, secure locations, etc. are urged to help in any capacity. Please contact me. While much is still a mystery, we now believe that what Mr. Cobbs describes is a threat to all who desire stability in our cluster.

If the information that Mr. Cobbs possesses is highly sought by certain terror elements, as he claims, then all of us, in the State, Federation, Republic and Empire have an interest in stopping any person or persons involved in this plot. This situation needs to be moved into the light as much as possible. Perhaps the people involved can be stopped before a blood bath occurs.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2013-04-27 04:21:33 UTC
Mister Momaki, the best advice I can give you is to have this 'Cobb' publish what he knows. Immediately and along with whatever evidence he has access to.

If he does that, there will no longer be the kind of urgency to silence him that you are currently experiencing.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#10 - 2013-04-27 13:56:52 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
[Unbelievable bullshit.


You are an amazing piece of work.

Malkalen was an example of Federation terrorism against the State? Yes sure, we even named the perpetrator as the finest hero the Federation ever had and his name is the first thing any child in this Union should ever learn. Great idea. Let's glorify the event and the man responcible for the rest of time while we are at it.

As for the rest, I don't think you 'hate' to point this half-baked drivel out, I think you enjoy it.

You are in short claiming that the Hueromont-Incident was the Federation Navy's fault for trying to down the Kairiola after it warped into the orbit of Gallente Prime (I mean, how dare they fight their enemies or defend their homes) and that the piece of the Shiigeru that hit Caldari Prime was also the Federation Navy fault for being dumb enough to intervene when said Titan was in low-orbit spooling up it's dooms'day device. Yeah, completely logical arguments, Tuulinen.

The only capital ship dropped on anything by "The Federation" was the FNS Wandering Saint rammed into Ishukone HQ in Malkalen by Admiral Noir. By your own claim, he did this with the Union's blessing and that his government helped sabotage the shields to make this possible. That's quite the claim to just toss out here like his, especially with no proof to back it up and no solid gains for the supposed guilty party.

That you love to make statements along the lines of "The State is great" and interject with "The Federation is not great" is a given, I expect little less from a chest-beating STPRO-enlisted State-national.

But I do expect claims and statements to stay within the realms of reality and not slide into slights of fantasy for the hell of it.

As for the rest of this topic, there is nothing here to get involved with. Ston Momaki seeks to garner more attention and spread his sensationalist 'findings' with the rest of us. Old news.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#11 - 2013-04-27 15:01:07 UTC
Pieter, how exactly have you managed to attract this little yapping puppy? If I didn't know better, I'd start asking you to start videotaping things for fun and profit. Mostly fun. And profit.

...

... I'll be in my bunk.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#12 - 2013-04-27 16:16:08 UTC
BloodBird wrote:

As for the rest of this topic, there is nothing here to get involved with.


I hope you are right. Believe me I hope you are right, but I'm afraid you are not and that there will be much to get involved with before this is all resolved. I fear that there will be violence of one kind or another before this is over. God forbid that the worst happens, but I grieve over the likelihood of many lost crews and much death and destruction. I would much prefer at the end of the day to have egg on my face than for this thing to happen.

Mr. Tuulinen, I am trying very hard to do as you suggest and will get the information out to the capsuleer community as much as I can. Mr. Cobbs seems to be talking more as his fear grows. I will share what I can when I can that it might possibly be stopped.

The latest information that I have received from Mr. Cobbs is that a certain volitile organization is currently completing the assembly of a large crew capable and trained to operate a Nyx Super-carrier and that they have in their possession the location of said carrier but lack only the security and access codes necessary to take it. These are zealots who, in Mr Cobbs words,"will charge to their death for vengeance' sake."

What they plan to do with it is what gives Mr. Cobbs his recurring nmightmares and what is increasing his anxiety. These details he has yet to share with me.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#13 - 2013-04-27 20:20:02 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Pieter, how exactly have you managed to attract this little yapping puppy? If I didn't know better, I'd start asking you to start videotaping things for fun and profit. Mostly fun. And profit.

...

... I'll be in my bunk.


Do you have anything you want to say to me, pilot, or will you stick with your typical meaningless snark?
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#14 - 2013-04-27 21:56:27 UTC
Shiho Weitong wrote:
Terrorism only works because people allow themselves to be bullied and scared by the radical minorities.

It's all too easy for a capsuleer to look down on the average baseliner's fear of death.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#15 - 2013-04-28 04:51:48 UTC
BloodBird wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Pieter, how exactly have you managed to attract this little yapping puppy? If I didn't know better, I'd start asking you to start videotaping things for fun and profit. Mostly fun. And profit.

...

... I'll be in my bunk.


Do you have anything you want to say to me, pilot, or will you stick with your typical meaningless snark?



Yip yip yip! Who's a cutie then?

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-04-28 05:51:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
BloodBird wrote:

The only capital ship dropped on anything by "The Federation" was the FNS Wandering Saint rammed into Ishukone HQ in Malkalen by Admiral Noir. By your own claim, he did this with the Union's blessing and that his government helped sabotage the shields to make this possible. That's quite the claim to just toss out here like his, especially with no proof to back it up and no solid gains for the supposed guilty party.


I would say that as regards Malkalen, the principle of vicarious liability would hold. Whilst it was indeed Admiral Noir that conducted the brutal atrocity and murder against unarmed Caldari civilians under the guise of diplomatic dialogue - that even if such an act of unprovoked terrorism was not tacitly sanctioned by the Federal government - then there still exists culpability on the part of the Federation, its government and its armed forces out of either negligence or incompetence to prevent the tragedy that was enabled by one of its military personnel who represented the people and government of the Federation.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-04-28 07:41:33 UTC
You continue to ignore my demands Ston Momaki. Perhaps you will be a bit more responsive now that we have leveled your home district. I think you will find the unanswered signals to them to be more than bad satellite reception.

You have 48 hours to deliver Cobbs or we will devoid the entire planet of all life.
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#18 - 2013-04-28 12:53:11 UTC
@ Otsito:

Pitiful woman, making a mockery of yourself in full view of the public. By all means, continue to provide nothing of value or merit. It works just fine for me.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
BloodBird wrote:

The only capital ship dropped on anything by "The Federation" was the FNS Wandering Saint rammed into Ishukone HQ in Malkalen by Admiral Noir. By your own claim, he did this with the Union's blessing and that his government helped sabotage the shields to make this possible. That's quite the claim to just toss out here like his, especially with no proof to back it up and no solid gains for the supposed guilty party.


I would say that as regards Malkalen, the principle of vicarious liability would hold. Whilst it was indeed Admiral Noir that conducted the brutal atrocity and murder against unarmed Caldari civilians under the guise of diplomatic dialogue - that even if such an act of unprovoked terrorism was not tacitly sanctioned by the Federal government - then there still exists culpability on the part of the Federation, its government and its armed forces out of either negligence or incompetence to prevent the tragedy that was enabled by one of its military personnel who represented the people and government of the Federation.


Predictably, you fail to mention the whole Federal delegation who died on the station along with all your civilians.

You may chose to assume liability for the whole of the government that you so despise, this is nothing new. From your viewpoint regarding liability it would even hold, because no matter what I or anyone else says Noir was an Admiral in the Federation Navy and he was the pilot for the flagship. He was chosen for a good reason, and I suspect that no-one foreseeing this happening is ultimately irrelevant to your convenient excuse for hatred.

At the end of the day however, Tuulinen's claims are still as absurd and far-fetched as I have previously indicated. No amount of spin will pin the blame for the Kairiola and Shiigeru crashes on the Federation Navy or the Union at large, no amount of wishful thinking will make capital crashes any sort of perverse sport that this Federation somehow enjoys, as Tuulinen would apparently want to think.

This entire topic did not require any ill-advised stab at the Union or chest-beating on the State's behalf, but he managed to contribute just that regardless. I suspect there will be plenty more chances for this to repeat in the future, it is after all a time-honored tradition of the IGS to bad-mouth your ideological and political opponents any chance you get. This has been the case for years, I see no reason why this uncivilized behavior should stop any time soon.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2013-04-28 19:06:37 UTC
If you can't see the difference between Tovil-Toba and Noir, why should I pay anything else in your lengthy screed any mind?

I've made efforts towards peace in the past - not just between State and Federation but also between State and Republic and State and Empire. My works to that end are a matter of public record. You, on the other hand, seem completely unable to recognise the bullying role that the Federation has played in its relationship to the State.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#20 - 2013-04-28 19:51:15 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
You, on the other hand, seem completely unable to recognise the bullying role that the Federation has played in its relationship to the State.

The saddest part about this BloodBird is that he really believes it.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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