EVE General Discussion

Except hisec miners. But who cares about those, right?
They should just die...

fact; miners don't care how much things cost. our purchasing power is pretty much constant.

I have been reminded this over and over.

Thanks for not abandonning the premise.

Well in this case you are mining, building, and selling all within the same organization you don't actually have to care about cost of anything. Think of it like a planned economy. You just mine the minerals, build the ships, and sell it at a way lower price than whatever the real market was asking for sole benefit of maximizing output. Profits be damned.

There isn't anything wrong with that, but it does reduce player interaction beyond the scope of the alliance making each alliance its own North Korea, where the Juche principal is used to produce everything internally.

It just provides market isolationism and less player co-operation and logistics other than interal alliance politics.

i'm never sure if you're agreeing with me or mocking me.

Well if you are buying it from h-sec and hi-sec can only produce X amount of minerals, then shouldn't the prices remain the same. I mean hi-sec isn't getting a mineral buff, null-sec is. It is highly unlikley that null-sec is going to export their minerals to hi-sec as they claim to need it all. And its unlikley those null-sec alliances are going to manufacture goods in null and ship them to high either.

So if hi-sec doesn't get a boost of minerals, then won't the prices remain the same. There are course null sec alliances producing items in house (which I mentioned before) and selling it themselves at low prices because they like each other in the alliance.

But if you aren't doing that to buy your goods and still buy from hi-sec, then obviously you aren't mining your own minerals, then why would hi-sec mineral drop in prices by your agument?

Unless null exports its wealth to high, then its not going to happen.

If it keeps its wealth and makes my own goods, then yes, they are playing North Korea like I mentioned.

Unless, Null is going to export to hi and then complain about hi-sec industrialists making all the profits.

Notice my refutation isn't so personal.

*does a Philip J Fry squint*

Can't tell if this an agreement or a round about way of telling me otherwise.

Yeah, if null still has to buy from hi-sec it means hi-sec minerals are still in demand so therefore will not drop in large price amounts.

If the alternative is true, and that Null is mining, manufacturing, and selling items to themselves it still proves my point as they aren't involved with high-sec anymores.

i did read what you wrote, but frankly your english is lacking and i had to guess at what you meant.

right i see, if you had actually formed a coherent sentence to begin with, we could have avoided this.

and no, cherry picking different asteroids from non-large grav sites won't really impact the market. any market impact will be due to the cycling of the large grav sites. the volume of ore per 4 days from other grav sites just isn't significant enough to make a noticable impact.

If the OP would just calm down a bit and think about it, he will understand that what CCP is doing is restricting supply of ice. Ice mining changes is a buff, not a nerf. The ore component of the changes will be kind of insignificant due to the bulk of the ore. So, I look at ice only. It will have an impact. The ore changes will likely not have such an impact.

That supply is provided in large part by high-sec today. There are vast networks of POS:es in null, all those Tech-moon mining poses for instance, that require a constant supply of fuel. In addition the whole of the cap ship fleets depend on ice products that are imported from high sec today, and which will be imported from high sec in two months time still - except at a higher price.

The pressure on High Sec ice will continue to be high. Except now there is a restricted supply. Prices will go up and up and up. There won't be that many more ice-miners in null-sec either if you think about what is also coming; the change to how the ice belts are placed coupled with the change to 'warp to zero on ice miners'. CCP has just given a new method to screw with alliances. If their ice systems are camped, they won't mine.

If they are desensitised to afk cloakers in the minings systems and start to mine, they will die horribly. If I wanted to shut an alliance down, I would certainly perma cloak in their ice systems and have black ops ships on standby. This time the afk cloaking wouldn't just deny individual members isk, it would also be a strategic warfare thing to deny the target alliance their capital ship fuel and their POS fuel. Oh yes. To prevent this, many members would be tied down in watching over the miners. There are so many sweet things going that I'm dizzy.

So, this is why high sec will still supply the vast bulk of ice. But at a much higher price. So, it is a buff. Not a nerf. And if you would think beyond your immediate agenda, you would see this. It's like always with CCP. Be careful what you ask for, you may very well get it.

Oh, and buy Amarr towers and Amarr caps. There's a pro-market tip for you.