EVE General Discussion

I didn't want to like your post because it covered up my extremely high quality post on the prior page. But I couldn't help myself.

You're too damned sensible.

+1.

This is a valid concern, but If CCP feels that POS fuel prices are too high that can be addressed by reducing the amount of fuel they require or changing the fuel block formula. Essentially fuel costs for POSes and Cynos can be adjusted demand side rather than supply side if CCP feels the need to change one without changing the other.

Is it me, or has CCP been actually increasing bill of materials on ships over time?

Secondly, the industrialist in me sees cheaper minerals as not a way to sell cheaper items, but to make more profit on existing ones.

There are certain items, despite mineral prices, that are selling at 50% profit over mineral prices as of now. I suspect this has something to do with throughput. Only so much can be prouduced at a given rate.

Lastly, I don't think item prices are directly related to mineral prices. Why? People seem to still sell many items at a loss (sometimes at 10% loss). Which either means they don't care what the current price is or are not intelligent enough to do the calculation of current ore prices (or both).

This means that many items are simply sold for current market demands (as in what the market will bare) not what the seller considers to be a profitable price.

So when ore prices go down, lowering the prices of goods isn't the first thing an industrialist thinks of doing. They will contiue to charge whatever the market will bare. I think in economics this is called sticky price theory. It's rather complicated, but if you read the Wiki article you'll understand why prices don't always drop because the input variables did.

Miners aren't being pushed to nullsec. They're just not being pushed out of nullsec any more.

Hope you're OK with that?

What? They are fixing the cloaky camper mechanic?

No, they're leaving 0.0 massively undersupplied with low-ends.

This, specifically, is why the changes to mining sites in truesec systems is going to be a complete failure. Previously, you could have 3 or 4 different systems all mining upgraded to level 3 or 4, and as people came in and started cloaky camping one system, you could just jump to another with your rorqs and hulks, or have seperate rorquals, and mine just as well, or almost just as well in the other system, if the index had dropped a bit.

Now, with the mining changes making it so that truesec system hidden belts will yield 5 and 10% asteroids, cloaky campers who want to disrupt isk making, are simply going to sit there, especially with the changes to amounts of anomalies, and the incoming Sanctums buff and Hub nerf. Thus, if you have a few hostiles in the area, cloaked up in stealth bombers or something similar, they wont even have to bother fitting a probe launcher anymore, to prevent you from actually mining those 5 and 10% asteroids. As I see it, they might as well not have added them, until they did something about afk cloakers. If anything, they actually made it easier for cloaky campers, by taking away the need to probe out grav belts.

Yep. When I lived in null, we could jump on right after down time, probe out new belts, and then go mine them safe from fear someone could appear (jump or login) in system and warp straight to the grav site. If it was a newly spawned cluster, you had plenty of time to get out while they probed out the new site.

Not so any more. Now they can jump in, one scan, and warp to the cluster.

No need for the cloaky to waste a high slot on the probe launcher either.

no it isn't.

6m m3 per day to keep an index of 3.
over 4 days, that's 24m m3

the sum total of small, med, and large grav sites is... 23940050

as we can see. you're a liar because you're already running a deficit before we remove the BC ores from the calculation.

please, stop lying or stop posting. i don't mind which.

Some but not all shps' bills of materials have marginally increased. When I speak of cheaper ships, though, I mean cheaper compared to their mineral cost. An interesting metric given your poor example to follow:



So your example of things selling for vastly over mineral price is...things selling for 10% under mineral price.

That isn't a very good example.



Sticky prices happen not only because of throughput, but because of latency in price propagation. When a competitor lowers prices, other competitors require time to adjust. Some may remain unaware, and their business will suffer.

At the end of the day my Alliance-built or Alliance-bought Abaddon will be cheaper because of increased availability of Tritanium and Pyerite. Since its bill of materials isn't being adjusted (AFAIK), my alliance is better off for these changes.

So is the rest of Eve.