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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#1 - 2013-04-27 11:34:44 UTC
I was just reading through the Eve wiki article on logi. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Logistics_piloting it looks like the Myrmidon actually reps more than an Exequror, 800 vs 1100. Just wondering if anyone has used a myrm to rep before and how it worked out.

It seems like the Myrm could be an awesome support ship, with reps, plenty of ECM or remote Sebo's/tracking links. And a command link! But I've never seen this kind of setup, just wondering why.

Thanks for any help or insight.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-04-27 11:38:24 UTC
Myrms for stuff like spidertanking are not impossible, but the fact that the domi does it much better for only a slight loss in mobility makes it kinda pointless. Plus the T1 logistics cruisers get the range bonus, which kind of overshadows the myrm.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-04-27 11:40:12 UTC
Are you trolling?

Look at the description of the Exequror hull. Look under "Role Bonus" and then look at the Myrmidon.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-04-27 11:42:14 UTC
Hint: The Exequror has 11x the rep range of an unbonused ship using medium armor RR

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#5 - 2013-04-27 12:14:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Andski wrote:
Hint: The Exequror has 11x the rep range of an unbonused ship using medium armor RR


I'm not trolling. The Eve wiki article used the Myrm as a baseline for RR. True it doesn't get the range bonus, but it has a great tank and enough drone space to fit for a wide variety of encounters. Also plenty of mids for ECM or remote support.

idk, as I said, I've never seen a myrm used as a support ship. But it seems like it could be better than the dedicated t1 logi cruisers and not as expensive as the t2 logi.
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#6 - 2013-04-27 12:18:53 UTC
Moved to the correct forum.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-04-27 12:35:19 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Andski wrote:
Hint: The Exequror has 11x the rep range of an unbonused ship using medium armor RR


I'm not trolling. The Eve wiki article used the Myrm as a baseline for RR. True it doesn't get the range bonus, but it has a great tank and enough drone space to fit for a wide variety of encounters. Also plenty of mids for ECM or remote support.

idk, as I said, I've never seen a myrm used as a support ship. But it seems like it could be better than the dedicated t1 logi cruisers and not as expensive as the t2 logi.


oh look that myrm has reps coming out of it and it's at 0 on us, shoot it.

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#8 - 2013-04-27 13:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Tsukino Stareine wrote:


oh look that myrm has reps coming out of it and it's at 0 on us, shoot it.


Yeah I would put it on the WL and pre-lock it myself. Same as any other logi. If the opposing fleet can burn through the reps and wreck the Myrm then they prolly have enough DPS to win the fight anyway.

But if they cannot wreck the Myrm then they are in trouble, even if they kill the myrm instead of a DPS ship it may take them long enough to do that they are screwed.

I think its one of those options that gets frowned upon because it is a wildcard, and most FC's I have flown with want known quantities.
Flair Tachyon
Toon Invasion Terror Squad
#9 - 2013-04-27 14:32:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Flair Tachyon
There also is the issue of capacitor. If you fit it capstable like the logi ships you lose the ewar slots, capspidering loses you reppers. That leaves cap boosters, they too use up ewar slots. Most likely you want to have an ECCM on there anyway.

If you go for anything other than cap Boosters your improvised logi will have the Problem that when one gets primaried the others repping him will all be in medium neutralizer range of the dps fleet.

Another downside of such a fleet is it´s relative slowness. meaning you have to keep formation at all costs, you can´t send someone 50 km out to tackle something without losing Support to the tackler.

This makes smaller rr-setups impractical I believe. Because on medium guns to offset the formation necessity you need to go longrange guns.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-04-27 17:29:23 UTC
Serious lack of range. It is as simple as that, I fly logi more then anything (as evident by my horrible killboard) and you need the range, it truly makes a HUGE difference in a fight. If you are forcing all of your fleet to be clumped up like that you are making it very easy for the enemy to apply max dps on your little ball and your myrm logi will find themself under cap pressure from enemy neuts very quickly.
Jacques-Benigne Bossuet
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-04-27 23:39:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacques-Benigne Bossuet
As a regular Logi Pilot in a carebear setting... get an Augoror... or an Exequror. If you're planning on soloing it up in a logi situation that is more bear and less PVP, the Exequror can put out more than enough to tank a propperly mission fit BS through most any lvl 4 mission (and be cap stable with some fitting mods/rigs).

If in a multi logi fleet get an Augoror and spider that beast.

A Myrm COULD do it, but thats like saying an executioner makes a good logi frigate... (http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/64184-Executioner-Armor-Logi.html)

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xPredat0rz
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#12 - 2013-04-28 05:00:22 UTC
The problem with any RR setup is the ease of breaking the rep chains.

THere is a reason you dont see many RR Bs fleets outside of high sec war decs. a few nuets some damps and a good bump and your not repping anything.

The reason it works with caps is the insane SS and long lock range. Even then I have been in fleets where 20 caracals with unbonused damps were able to lower a carriers locking range to the point he couldnt lock his buddy on the undock with him.

only being able to rep to 8k hurts.
Secret Squirrell
Allied Press Intergalactic
#13 - 2013-04-28 19:32:50 UTC
The only way this works is if you in a big immobile blob of ships. That means you have surrendered range dictation. If your not gonna move the ships, then the Dominix would be in every way superior. Large reps rep more, and have much longer range. Throw in some Large Nuets to punish anyone who gets close.

Pros:
Rep Range
Rep Amount
Large Neuts
More drones
More drone bay so you can bring sentries + a variety of other drones to mitigate the range dictation issue
Same Mid slots
+1 High
+1 Low
They don't even cost that much more

Cons:
Slower - Which wont matter as your a stationary blob
Bigger sig - Which wont matter unless your facing tracking dreads, Myrms don't sig tank anyway.
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-04-28 21:00:48 UTC
Secret Squirrell wrote:
The only way this works is if you in a big immobile blob of ships. If your not gonna move the ships, then the Dominix would be in every way superior.

Pretty much this.

However, I've been toying around with the idea of using Prophecies for this. More specifically, for dicking around with a small gang in a low class WH, where you are planning to fight at 0 on the hole and the mass of the Domi is potentially detrimental.

I've screwed around running C3 sites in a 3 DDA 2 omni cap transfer RR setup with two Prophecies, but haven't taken them into real pew pew. I looked at a shield tanked Myrm pair, but from what I recall the CPU was really tight and gave up.

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