EVE General Discussion

some body in null sec is mining them, or the industry index of the system would decay and they'd have no grav sites to mine in.
trust me, asteroids aren't just "left there".

i'll point out again, when making rokhs for every 1 large grav site worth of megacyte you mine, you need 32 large grav site's worth of trit. that's a 31 grav site worth of trit deficit. that's still going to have to be imported from high sec.

wish I could like this more than once.

Report yourself and claim that it means “devs are mofos” in Sanskrit or some such, so you can get it changed.

personally, I think that producing stuff in 0.0 can only be good for EVE - if indirect effect is lot more exploded barges in 0.0, all the better for economy :)
who knows, perhaps they will finally consider nerfing whole 'instant travel' mechanic if they manage to make 0.0 self-reliable for production and imo that would be major step forward

It seems logical to me that Null-sec mining should be more profitable than high-sec. If you want higher rewards, you have to assume higher risk. This isn't complicated and I don't see the problem.

High sec mining isn't going anywhere. No one is going to import trit from null when you can mine it or buy it next door. Yea, you get less of it per yield but who cares when you have 100 times as many people mining it? Mining profitability always finds it's own level. When minerals get valuable more people mine them, increasing supply and bringing the value back down. When prices get low, less people mine, they become more rare, and the price increases. It finds it's own level, it always has, it always will.

As for ice, there is quite a bit of misinformation in this thread.

Firstly, you don't have to probe out ice belts, all ore/ice is being moved from signatures (the thingies you probe) to anomalies (the thingies you use your on-board scanner for). This is stated in the dev blog and was shown in the keynote presentation. They are in anoms to prevent the time-zone advantages inherent to belts spawning after downtime, not to tie into exploration or to prevent botting.

Secondly, Fozzie stated in his dev blog there will be enough high-sec ice to meet 80% of the universe's demands. How quickly the belts are mined out doesn't matter, what matters is the raw amount of ice entering the market. How quickly it's gone is just a measure of how many different pilots are mining it. The huge price increases right now are due to speculators, not supply and demand. Prices probably will go up, but not astronomically.

Ultimately what this means is that more people will be mining both ore and ice in null sec. Together with the outpost changes, it means null sec industry might actually be viable. That means we will actually have pilots in space in null-sec doing things. This means you can interrupt your enemies' industry by camping their belts to deny them (because realistically all the miners will dock up the second you enter local) forcing fights and in general getting people out into space. That's a positive first step to fixing null.

You can have all of the worthless rocks then.

Why is that?

if grav sites become anomalies a cloaked SB can scan them down with shipscanner alone and warp to them.

though wh miners were never really safe from determined stalkers.

Fortunately, vastly cheaper ships will soften the blow.

Also, ice used to be much more expensive than recent "non-speculative" prices, before the Mackinaw buffs went live.

Nice try, though.