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RIP hisec mining, it was fun while it lasted.

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Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#41 - 2013-04-27 15:26:51 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
That is an optimistic lookup. Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec.

Welp, then maybe you should just quit. Can I have your stuff?

Nah, just gotta find a piece of overbuffed nullsec for myself now.

James Amril-Kesh wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
And all of them are going to be camped for good. Unless you manage to camp one, hurr durr no ice for you. It has a lot more camping than seeking, dear sir.

Yeah, I'm sure there are enough ice miners in highsec to camp every single ice system and deplete every ice belt every 15 minutes.

We're talking about the same hisec, right? There are more than enough ice miners to camp every single trade-hub-accessible ice system, and non-trade-hub-accessible systems are just not worth it.
Yes, I think ice mining is going ice camping and ore mining is going to go from 20 hours for plex to no-amount-of-hours-are-gonna-give-you-plex aka dead.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Dave Stark
#42 - 2013-04-27 15:28:36 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Woah !

I've actually read them yesterday ... but i have *no* idea about this.

Why would that drop prices ? Wouldn't it rather make more sense to believe
that nullsec alliances need all this ore for thems... oh .............................


increased supply = lower price assuming constant demand.
economics 101.
T8496
Plan-It Xpress
#43 - 2013-04-27 15:28:50 UTC
ITT: EvE is the only game where people feel so entitled when they choose to live in the starting area.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-04-27 15:30:02 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
That is an optimistic lookup. Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec.

Welp, then maybe you should just quit. Can I have your stuff?

Nah, just gotta find a piece of overbuffed nullsec for myself now.

Don't make me laugh. If you think nullsec is "overbuffed" and a great place to make isk mining then you're in for a really rude awakening.

Basil Pupkin wrote:
Yes, I think ice mining is going ice camping and ore mining is going to go from 20 hours for plex to no-amount-of-hours-are-gonna-give-you-plex aka dead.

You think this based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever. You're just being an alarmist fearmonger.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
#45 - 2013-04-27 15:30:28 UTC
...or, hi-sec carebear miners will stay in hisec, and null-sec caebears will stay camped at the gates waiting for hi-sec carebears that'll never show...becuase nillers don't mine ("EVE is all about pew pew, period...except for my 6 hi-sec AFK miner alts while I camp"). Miners and PvP'ers don't mix corp-wise, and there is no place for a null miner to sell in null, so Risk V Reward still isnt there if they still have to move ore from null to Jita to sell it to back to null. Look it now, mining in Null is more profitable then mining hi as it is, but hardly anyone does it, becuase that profit disapears when you have to haul it to Hi to sell it where youre risk of getting shot a the gates is much higher.

Nothing will change, hi secs will stay in hi and mine, nullers will wait at the gates whiing hi sec needs to be nerfed moar, MOAR, I tell you! and ater a short wild ride, prices will return to close to what they are now.

seriously, if the price of Trit/pyr drop , why would anyone risk mining in null to get it?..ALL CCP did was make Omber the top ore to mine Hi-sec
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2013-04-27 15:30:34 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Woah !

I've actually read them yesterday ... but i have *no* idea about this.

Why would that drop prices ? Wouldn't it rather make more sense to believe
that nullsec alliances need all this ore for thems... oh .............................


increased supply = lower price assuming constant demand.
economics 101.
"thems... oh ................................."

Well ... that's ... bad. Makes me wonder if the ship rebalances (and the increased mineral demands for these ships)
will compensate for that ...
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#47 - 2013-04-27 15:31:06 UTC
T8496 wrote:
ITT: EvE is the only game where people feel so entitled when they choose to live in the starting area.

If eve had PvP which isn't "more skillpoints always win" I would've tried it. Unfortunately, that is the one and only kind of pvp eve offers.
Maybe in a 3-4 more years...

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Bolow Santosi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-04-27 15:31:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Bolow Santosi
Ritsum wrote:
With the changes to Null sec mining and outpost productivity, I don't see why a lot of null sec alliances are not recruiting more indie corps to help them. I would think getting a carebear corp into your null system to make sure your production gets better would be a good thing all round. Carebears get introduced into a pvp environment and Null bears get their **** done at a great rate.


Because Industrial Corps don't fight or contribute to the war effort in a meaningful way.

EDIT: Also I invite any high sec miners to come on down to Deklein where our roids are always ample. May I recommend JU- or S-D. Also please come through the EC- gate at Torrinos so you can be approved by CFC Customs
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2013-04-27 15:32:04 UTC
Reuben Johnson wrote:
...or, hi-sec carebear miners will stay in hisec, and null-sec caebears will stay camped at the gates waiting for hi-sec carebears that'll never show...becuase nillers don't mine ("EVE is all about pew pew, period...except for my 6 hi-sec AFK miner alts while I camp"). Miners and PvP'ers don't mix corp-wise, and there is no place for a null miner to sell in null, so Risk V Reward still isnt there if they still have to move ore from null to Jita to sell it to back to null. Look it now, mining in Null is more profitable then mining hi as it is, but hardly anyone does it, becuase that profit disapears when you have to haul it to Hi to sell it where youre risk of getting shot a the gates is much higher.

Nothing will change, hi secs will stay in hi and mine, nullers will wait at the gates whiing hi sec needs to be nerfed moar, MOAR, I tell you! and ater a short wild ride, prices will return to close to what they are now.

seriously, if the price of Trit/pyr drop , why would anyone risk mining in null to get it?..ALL CCP did was make Omber the top ore to mine Hi-sec

Gee, that might be why they added significantly more slots to nullsec stations.
It's almost as if CCP wants to change this whole paradigm you're talking about.
You're just either unwilling or unable to see the big picture. Not surprising.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-04-27 15:33:27 UTC
Bolow Santosi wrote:
Ritsum wrote:
With the changes to Null sec mining and outpost productivity, I don't see why a lot of null sec alliances are not recruiting more indie corps to help them. I would think getting a carebear corp into your null system to make sure your production gets better would be a good thing all round. Carebears get introduced into a pvp environment and Null bears get their **** done at a great rate.


Because Industrial Corps don't fight or contribute to the war effort in a meaningful way.

Are you serious? Where do you think the ships you use come from?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#51 - 2013-04-27 15:34:08 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Frying Doom wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You do realize that when ore prices drop, so does the cost of a whole bunch of other stuff?

You do know that when the price of ore drops, bounties don't? Lol



umm not sure about that since bounty is worth a percentage of the pice index for the ship...

so infact the bounty payout might actually decrease due to changes in mineral prices...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#52 - 2013-04-27 15:34:53 UTC
I feel "meh" about that change, but i see the point of it.Roll

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2013-04-27 15:35:17 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You do realize that when ore prices drop, so does the cost of a whole bunch of other stuff?

You do know that when the price of ore drops, bounties don't? Lol



umm not sure about that since bounty is worth a percentage of the pice index for the ship...

so infact the bounty might actually decrease due to changes in mineral prices...

I think he was referring to NPC bounties.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#54 - 2013-04-27 15:36:20 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Don't make me laugh. If you think nullsec is "overbuffed" and a great place to make isk mining then you're in for a really rude awakening.

Who are you kidding? I know exactly how much worth nullsec mining is.
Problem is, in 5 weeks, hisec mining is going to die, lowsec mining never lived, and the only mining left would be nullsec mining.

James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Yes, I think ice mining is going ice camping and ore mining is going to go from 20 hours for plex to no-amount-of-hours-are-gonna-give-you-plex aka dead.

You think this based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever. You're just being an alarmist fearmonger.

How come dev blog isn't enough evidence?

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Dave Stark
#55 - 2013-04-27 15:36:32 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Woah !

I've actually read them yesterday ... but i have *no* idea about this.

Why would that drop prices ? Wouldn't it rather make more sense to believe
that nullsec alliances need all this ore for thems... oh .............................


increased supply = lower price assuming constant demand.
economics 101.
"thems... oh ................................."

Well ... that's ... bad. Makes me wonder if the ship rebalances (and the increased mineral demands for these ships)
will compensate for that ...


the increases in minerals aren't huge, they're significant enough to be worth while but nothing earth shattering.
also the volume mined in null currently doesn't lend itself to the volume you'd need to destroy mining as a profession in high sec.
Bolow Santosi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-04-27 15:36:37 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Bolow Santosi wrote:
Ritsum wrote:
With the changes to Null sec mining and outpost productivity, I don't see why a lot of null sec alliances are not recruiting more indie corps to help them. I would think getting a carebear corp into your null system to make sure your production gets better would be a good thing all round. Carebears get introduced into a pvp environment and Null bears get their **** done at a great rate.


Because Industrial Corps don't fight or contribute to the war effort in a meaningful way.

Are you serious? Where do you think the ships you use come from?


Imported from Jita via Jump Freighter service. Unless we're talking about Capital/Super Capital hulls.
Kharamete
Royal Assent
#57 - 2013-04-27 15:36:48 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
T8496 wrote:
ITT: EvE is the only game where people feel so entitled when they choose to live in the starting area.

If eve had PvP which isn't "more skillpoints always win" I would've tried it. Unfortunately, that is the one and only kind of pvp eve offers.
Maybe in a 3-4 more years...


Who told you this lie?

Your mistake is that you think Eve is about solo pvp. It is not. Get some friends in rifters and those bling tech 2 ships and their multimillip SP characters will die.

CCP FoxFour: "... the what button... oh god I didn't even know that existed. BRB."

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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-04-27 15:36:59 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
That is an optimistic lookup. Realistic one is that mining dies completely in hisec.

Welp, then maybe you should just quit. Can I have your stuff?

Nah, just gotta find a piece of overbuffed nullsec for myself now.

Don't make me laugh. If you think nullsec is "overbuffed" and a great place to make isk mining then you're in for a really rude awakening.



Yeah... move to null, and get camped in for weeks on end by cloaky campers with heavy black ops backup. Good times. Does wonders for the profitability of null mining.
Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
#59 - 2013-04-27 15:37:46 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Reuben Johnson wrote:
...or, hi-sec carebear miners will stay in hisec, and null-sec caebears will stay camped at the gates waiting for hi-sec carebears that'll never show...becuase nillers don't mine ("EVE is all about pew pew, period...except for my 6 hi-sec AFK miner alts while I camp"). Miners and PvP'ers don't mix corp-wise, and there is no place for a null miner to sell in null, so Risk V Reward still isnt there if they still have to move ore from null to Jita to sell it to back to null. Look it now, mining in Null is more profitable then mining hi as it is, but hardly anyone does it, becuase that profit disapears when you have to haul it to Hi to sell it where youre risk of getting shot a the gates is much higher.

Nothing will change, hi secs will stay in hi and mine, nullers will wait at the gates whiing hi sec needs to be nerfed moar, MOAR, I tell you! and ater a short wild ride, prices will return to close to what they are now.

seriously, if the price of Trit/pyr drop , why would anyone risk mining in null to get it?..ALL CCP did was make Omber the top ore to mine Hi-sec

Gee, that might be why they added significantly more slots to nullsec stations.
It's almost as if CCP wants to change this whole paradigm you're talking about.
You're just either unwilling or unable to see the big picture. Not surprising.

Funny, but I didnt know you could mine roids in station slots. some dock sitters might move to null, but the miners wont..and they STILL have to go Jita to buy their ores, or rather, pay Red Frog to JC it in..the oly one gonna see an incrase here is the JC hauler. Even many manufacturers wont stay long once they realize nullers arent going to pay as much for stuff when they know its all being made in station, so profit margin in null go poofs, and they return to Jita to make stuff..you know, where the ore is.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2013-04-27 15:38:09 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
T8496 wrote:
ITT: EvE is the only game where people feel so entitled when they choose to live in the starting area.

If eve had PvP which isn't "more skillpoints always win" I would've tried it. Unfortunately, that is the one and only kind of pvp eve offers.
Maybe in a 3-4 more years...




Paaaaahlease.

Everyone knows that it is "more ships wins".