Wormholes

It will be difficult to justify mining in wormholes. The new ore boost will make it more profitable, but the risk of dying will be too damn high.

Actually, now that I think about it. I don't think the change will affect the organised group.
An organized group will collapse the static and any k162 and spreads some probes in system to detect any wormhole entry. For this king of group, mining in wormhole will be just as safe as before.

This will affect the small time miners in wormhole; people that do mining from time to time without preparation. These people will get killed far more often.

I don't see it being that much of a difference.

If miners are paying attention and use scouts they will be largely safe like always. If not, they will be combat scanned in one cycle.

Not to mention it can be tricky to warp directly to a grav and catch someone, as the belt is large. So you would still want to try and get a warpin.

WH mining sucks anyhow. Still will.

On the bright side, they have cured the problem of lack of empty lower class wormholes.

Higher cost of fuel + Higher mining risk = less people in C1-C4s

this change was needed why exactly?
just more dumbing down of exploration...

Seems like W-space will become the new lowsec with this change, the balance of risk/reward so absurdly skewed towards risk only idiots would ever think of mining there... Ah well. at least I can hunt idiots until this gets nerfed..

This will literally kill wormhole mining. Any decent pirate worth their salt will be able to appear on miners in grav sites long before they're aware they are there. It will just be too damn risky to mine!

Very disapointed.

This seems less aimed at reducing the skill needed and more about lowering the bar for new players to get involved in the game without waiting 3 months for a variety of skills to train so they can enjoy the game. I 100% agree that WH grav sites should have been left separate but I'm guessing that the coding required was more work than they wanted to do. In regards to security...well if people want to mine they'll just have to do what everyone does when they run sites - close all connections, don't spawn the statics, and keep out probes. Of course this doesn't help against people camping your system but that problem has always existed.

Overall this will make scanning down chains much faster although I'll admit I'm disappointed. When they talked about changes to exploration I'd hoped that it would include new and more exciting sites especially for people who took the time to train up a character specifically skilled for exploration however they seem to be aiming at getting new people involved in it as opposed to adding new content for older players. The changes to scanning skills and modules for example reduce training needed to get scanning skills at a usable level but don't seem to benefit characters that have invested a large amount of time in training. Guess we'll see. Thus far I'm not too excited although I'm hopeful with reservations about the upcoming changes.

You guys saw that the new onboard scanner allows you to see new sigs spawning in your system right?

You know what that implies? You don't even need an alt with a probe out to look for new wormholes anymore...

Also, have any of you tried to catch miners by warping directly into an asteroid belt? It's hideously difficult. All it takes is one giant misplaced rock in your path and you could end up blowing your cloak 70 km premature.

If anything, catching miners will be more difficult with odyssey. The miner has an easier time to look out for intruders, but the hunter still needs combat probes if they want a precise warp in to guarantee them the kill. If you still die mining in Odyssey then it'll be 190% your own damn fault.

Are you sure that the onboard scanner also indicated whether there are sigs and where they are? All i could see from the presentations was that it showed anoms.