Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I watched the Fanfest Stream discussing this new feature that allows criminals and the like to collect or buy tags that can be turned in to raise your Standing/Security Status.

Being a criminal in Eve Online doesn't seem to have any real consequences.

Maintaining a criminal free life in the game doesn't seem to have any real benefits.

It's fun to be the bad guy. I get the appeal. But being the bad guy should come with some long lasting effects. You can harass, grief, murder everyone you see for as long as you want, but CONCORD turns a blind eye simply because you turn in tags, grind out "rats"? It seems so unrealistic and in sole favor to the pirates and griefers.

Doesn't it seem like a silly world where pirates and carebears are essentially one in the same? I know this has essentially been going on since the dawn of Eve but I would like to see some kind of differential between the two. Criminal History perhaps? A little symbol next to someone's Avatar that symbolizes past criminal acts? What's wrong with this? EVE Online just plays like everyone's the bad guy and it just feels wrong...

Don't worry.I bet this tags will cost a fortune.

For concord it is like: If you killed our enemys we give you annother chance.... You are not that bad....

Sucky part is, being the good guy in real life generally sucks, too. No respect, no remorse. Everyone hates you for following the rules, because it's only okay to stop THOSE guys, etc, etc.

And I agree. In game, right now, anti-pirates are nothing more than pirates who keep their security status up higher. There's not much we can do when crime does happen, because either CONCORD popped them, or they warped off after getting the loot. Criminals have the advantage because by the act of the crime, they are making the event happen.

The bounty system mostly fails because most bounties are for *****. Since perfectly respectable individuals can have bounties like everyone else, your not likely to get a suspect flag. The whole flag system is far too regular and predictable to be useful (CCP, please understand the difference between predictable and understandable ... cause it's a lot easier to understand now).

Meh ... just a whole mess of work.

That sounds broken already. I don't see this benefiting the game at all. Pirates are crying about grinding sec status back up? I don't get it. It takes the meaning out of the word "criminal". This needs deeper thought...

Here's the breakdown:

- Separate each Empire's criminal tracking. Their security status will reflect their status under that empire only, not all of space. So a person who routinely ganks in the Amarr trade hub would be able to fly around and do Gallente missions just fine. A separate tab in their character sheet would reflect their criminal record in other areas.

- If you go negative, you just look like a hood. Police scan you every time you go through a gate. Stations make you wait a few seconds before letting you dock. As long as you stay above negative 2.5, your just a small time nobody who causes trouble and gets dirty looks, but you can easily rat and earn your security back.

- If you go negative 2.5 to 5, your a misdemeanor offender. You've had to do more than one crime. Biggest difference between this and a nobody is that you can only get your sec status back up to positive 5. Once you've had a rep in that empire, you won't be really forgiven.

- Negative 5 to 7.5, your ass is a repeat offender or a felon. The damn turrets actually aim at you every time you go through. You get stopped and scanned at belts. Police cruise by you just to 'check on things'. Stations really make your ass wait, and for some reason, your damn taxes are higher. While the police ain't shooting, you can tell they want to. The highest you can get your standings up to is positive 2.5, and that takes work.

- Negative 7.5 to 9.9, your ass is a most wanted. The empire shoots at you like you've got poor standings. They shoot at you when you go through gates, when you dock, the whole works. They really don't like you. And ratting in their area ain't going to get you much, because the best you can do is 0.0 out.

- Negative 10, public enemy number one. The popo call in the swat team every time you come around, and you know those security status of yours? Yeah, your permablasted to -2.5. Your going to keep that rep.



**** off all four empires to have low enough security, and concord declares you a damn SANSHA and shoots at you on sight.

That's why every convo I have with a ganker starts off with 'don't be the first person I've killed in four years'.

Did you really watch the steam? The grind still happens you can just pay someone else to do it. All this is doing is allowing the market (with spawn rate tweaks from ccp) to dictate the value of that behavior.

You want long lasting effects? Record the gankers name, active timezones, people they fly with and forum history etc in your logs.

This is a buff to lowsec, and very welcome one.

You see, fighting in lowsec decreases your security status, even though no crime was committed (two people want to fight, first one to open fire loses sec status)

There is no meaning to the word criminal already. Someone talks about pirate hunting being non-existent in this thread... well, these tags will make pirate hunting viable. Why? Because you'll see a constant demand of these tags and lowseccers farming them up.

Really rich people getting way with all the nasty **** they do because of how much money they have?

That doesn't sound like the real world at all.